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1 Since 1972 Club Officers Richard Cole, President 2904 W. Moore Rd. Muncie, IN Mike James, Vice Pres N. 300 E. Marion, IN Jim Durr, Treasurer 500 W. Ohio St. Fortville, IN Joe Coulson, Secretary/Editor 412 W. Smith Valley Rd. Greenwood, IN An Index to the Club Library is available online. Please contact Dick Cole about items which you would like to check out. Membership The Midwest Glass Chatter is a monthly publication and is a forum through which collectors can share information. Membership cost is $15.00 per year, per family, due each January 31. All jar/bottle related collectors are welcome. Send to MAFJBC, Attn: James Durr, 500 W. Ohio St., Fortville, IN Meeting Minutes, October 2nd, 2016 The October club meeting was held at Minnetrista in Muncie, Indiana. Club Vice President Mike James opened the meeting and welcomed 7 club members. Jim Durr gave the Treasurer s report for October. There were some expenses for the newsletter. The club continues to maintain a positive bank balance. Colleen Dixon asked the club members to think about ideas to increase attendance at the local club meetings. Several ideas were brought up, but no decisions were made: speakers, planned programs, Minnetrista tour, field trips to area museums (Dunkirk, Greentown), and a repeat of Dick Cole s glass history driving tour of Muncie. Dave Rittenhouse mentioned that show contracts for our January Show will be mailed out in November. The show will be held January 8th, 2017 at the Horizon Convention Center. You should book your rooms at The Baymont Inn hotel now. There will be the usual room hopping and Fruit Jar Get-Together on January 7th. Upcoming regional shows: October 29th, 2016 (Saturday) Royal Oak, Michigan Metropolitan Detroit Antique Bottle Club s 34th Annual Antique Bottle Show at the Royal Oak Elks Lodge, 2401 E. Fourth Street, Royal Oak, Michigan, 9:30 am to 3:00 pm; October 30th 2016 (Sunday) Matteson, Illinois 47th Annual 1st Chicago Bottle Club Show & Sale at the Holiday Inn Matteson Conference Center, 500 Holiday Plaza Drive, Matteson, Illinois 60443, Sunday 9:00 am 2:00 pm; November 12th 2016 (Saturday) Belleville, Illinois Eastside Spectacular #10 Brewery Collectibles Show Antique Bottle & Jar Show at the BelleClair Fairgrounds; No- Tilting at Windmills, Part 1 The late Dick Roller said Once something gets into print there is no way of correcting it. I would like to throw a little light on a couple of subjects. vember 19th, 2016 (Saturday) Terre Haute, Indiana The 20th Annual Illiana Antique Bottle & Pottery Show & Sale at the Vigo County Fairgrounds, 3901 S. US Highway 41, Terre Haute, Indiana, Saturday, Free Admission 9:00 am to 2:00 pm. The next club meeting will be held November 6th at Minnetrista in the Cantina at 1:30pm in Muncie, Indiana. The theme for Show and Tell is Favorite item or story about your collection. Respectfully submitted, Joe Coulson In both Fruit Jars and Bottle Makers and Their Marks by Julian Harrison Toulouse, he tells the tale that the Swayzee Glass Company encountered financial trouble when the molds that they had made to their order in Canada were for the 40 oz. Canadian quarts instead of the 32 oz. U.S. quart. The jars were too large and the

2 Tilting at Windmills, Part 1, cont d people were refusing to buy them. Actually the capacity of an Imperial Quart is U.S. ounces. I doubt that retailers, the people who were buying the jars of that time, ever bothered to measure the actual capacity of the jars that they sold. What housewife would refuse to buy a jar that she could can more product in when it was being sold at the same price as a regular quart jar? Toulouse obtained his information from Swayzee postmaster and historian G. Marshall who claimed to have been a boy worker at the factory. With the aid of the Indiana Room and Genealogy Department personnel of the Marion Public Library I found the facts of Glendell D. Marshall who had been postmaster of Swayzee, Indiana. Mr. Marshall was born in 1916 and died at the age of 71. Ball Brothers purchased the Swayzee Glass Company in early 1906 and closed it down and never operated it. Toulouse not knowing anyone in Swayzee wrote to the postmaster seeking someone with information. The small town postmaster decided to have some fun with the city slicker and spun out the tale. Of the 10 Swayzee s Improved Mason jars in my collection 8 are undersize, 2 measure 32 oz. brim full. Make small jars and you can sell more of them to the housewife. Louis E. Ebert Lou shared a copy of a 1901 Standard Illustrated Catalogue and Price List for Flint and Green Moulds. The pictures above show the cover page as well as a bottle mold page and a fruit jar mold page. The cost of fruit jars molds is very interesting and not something you normally see. Page 2

3 Page 3 Show and Tell Pictures, cont d Lou Ebert discusses his research on Swayzee fruit jars Three photos of a QT reproduction Hero Cross jar. One side has the cross emblem with H / F / J / CA (yes, that s an A ); the other side has Mason s Patent Nov. 30 TH 1858; the base has the original sticker which says Made in Taiwan R.O.C. A green HG reproduction, Mason s (plain cross emblem) Patent Nov. 30TH 1858 ; base: Pat Nov (mold 469) A red PT reproduction, Mason s Patent Nov 30TH 1858 ; base 44 Green and cobalt blue QT reproductions of a Mason s Patent Nov. 30 TH 1858 ; reverse: Hero cross emblem with H / F / J / CA; base: original sales stickers, Elder Beerman $6.00 / The Cook s Bazaar / Made in Taiwan.

4 Page 4 Show and Tell Pictures, cont d A cobalt blue PT reproduction milk bottle; front: Property of Liberty Milk Co Incorporated Buffalo NY ; back: One pint liquid (figure of statue of liberty) ; base: L with a filled circle A brown PT reproduction, Mason s Patent Nov 30TH 1858 ; base 44 A cobalt blue PT reproduction Mason s Patent Nov. 30TH 1858 ; base Pat Nov (mold 46); aluminum cap A cobalt blue HG reproduction Mason s (plain Hero cross emblem) Patent Nov. 30TH 1858 ; base: Pat Nov (mold 469) A light aqua HP reproduction Ball (dropped a ) Perfect Mason; very thick uneven glass; base 9 A red HG reproduction Mason s Patent Nov 30TH 1858 ; base 7

5 Page 5 Show and Tell Pictures, cont d A dark amber midget PT reproduction Mason s Patent Nov. 30TH 1858 ; backwards first S A real aqua QT Myer s (peened out date) Test Jar A ruby red HG reproduction of a Millville style jar; surface has an orange peel effect; base with original sales sticker: Made in India exclusively for Department 56 / Suggested retail price $16.50 A real amber QT Mason s (Hero cross emblem) Patent Nov. 30 TH 1858 ; base: Pat Nov (hard to read mold number) A real SCA PT Ball (dropped a ) Perfect Mason Four photos of a real test run QT Ball Perfection in a light Bacardi rum bottle color; reverse: / 100 Years of / American / Heritage / Made-In-The-U.S.A. ; left side with measurements; base has SG mark for Saint Gobain

6 Page 6 Repro Fruit Jar Page on FaceBook Long-time club member Larry Munson has been actively sharing reproduction jars from his collection to help educate collectors. Larry has been sharing photos and descriptions on the Repro Fruit Jar Page on FaceBook. Linda White is an administrator for this page. Other collectors have chipped in to help. You can visit the page at this address: Larry has all 18 jars (six different colors; each in three different sizes: pint, quart, half gallon) in this series of Mason s Patent Nov 30 TH 1858 reproductions. All of the pints have 44 on the base. The quarts have 7 on the base. The half gallons have the Hero cross emblem on the front, and Pat. Nov and 469 on the base. Cobalt blue QT Griffen s Patent Oct According to the Fruit Jar Annual 2017: Fake quart jars have been sold since These jars are in amber and cobalt blue are being offered from N.J. Sekela of Butler, N.J. for $ The jars have solid lugs instead of hollow.

7 Page 7 Repro Fruit Jar Page on FaceBook, cont d Larry shared two different sets of the Mason s (CFJC monogram) Improved Butter Jar reproduction. Note that the CFJCo monogram is missing the o. The first set comes with the Mason s Improved glass lid and metal screw band. The second and later set comes with plain tin screw caps. The jars come in pint, quart and half gallon sizes in each set. Quart yellow reproduction Wm. S. Kimball & Co. Rochester N.Y. cigar jar and tin screw cap Reproduction Lightning half pints in light green ( Registered U.S. Patent Office ), light blue (unembossed) and amber (unembossed) Set of amber unembossed Globe reproduction cigar jars with bail handled tin screw caps Set of seven reproduction midget pint Mason s Patent Nov. 30 TH 1858 jars in various colors: green, clear, cobalt blue, apple green, light blue, pink and amber

8 Page 8 Guide to Fowler s Vacola Preserving Jars The following chart was copied on October 2, 2016 from the official company website: Bottle Size & Accessory Guide Bottles Manufactured Since 1915 Fowlers Availability of Lid & Clip Size Ring Size Bottle Volume Bottles Ceased Number (in inches) (in inches) Accessories Manufacture mL YES mL YES /2 2 - NO mL YES CURRENT lb YES Late 1930's /6 2 5/6 1 lb NO 1935/6 17 Tapered YES 1938/ / /2 lb NO mL YES 1960's mL YES CURRENT /2 2 2 lb NO mL YES 1970's 28 Tapered 4 1/ mL YES mL YES CURRENT /6 2 5/6 2 lb NO 1935/ /6 2 5/6 1 1/2 lb NO mL YES Tapered 4 1/ /4 lb YES 1940's lb YES 1935/ / /2 lb YES 1976/ /4 lb YES Late 1930's 56 Tapered 4 1/ /4 lb YES Late 1940's L YES /2 3 - NO 1946/ /2 3 - NO 1946/ YES Not Known YES Not Known YES Not Known 1/4 lb meat 3 3 1/4 lb YES 1935/6 1/2 lb meat 4 4 1/2 lb YES 1935/6 1 lb jam Gripper - 1 lb NO Late 1950's 2 lb jam Gripper - 2 lb NO Late 1950's

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10 MIDWEST ANTIQUE FRUIT JAR & BOTTLE CLUB A jarrific place to share and learn Send articles and info here: Joe Coulson, Editor 412 W. Smith Valley Rd. Greenwood, IN JoeCoulsonX5@gmail.com ADDRESS SERVICE REQUESTED WE RE ON THE WEB! AND FACEBOOK! Dave Rittenhouse shared this original Wagner Lockheed brake fluid dispenser. It consists of an unembossed Lightning style jar and a heavy cast iron attachment which includes the dispenser pump. Dave says he has also seen the jar with Wagner embossed on it (RB #2905-5). Announcements Upcoming club meetings: Sunday, November 6th, 1:30pm meet at Minnetrista, theme is Favorite item or story about your collection Sunday, December 4th, 1:30pm meet at Minnetrista, Annual Christmas Pitch-In Dinner Saturday, January 7th, 2017, Fruit Jar Get-Together, 1:30pm, Baymont Inn, Muncie, Indiana, contact the hotel at: Sunday, January 8th, 2017, Big Jar Show, 9:00am-2:00pm, Horizon Convention Center, Muncie, Indiana, contact Dave Rittenhouse for info: Our club is a member of the Federation of Historical Bottle Collectors (FOHBC). The FOHBC has many resources and interesting articles on their website as well as a list of bottle shows: The fall Jelly Jammers meeting will be in conjunction with the Findlay Antique Bottle Club s 40th Annual Antique Bottle & Collectibles Show & Sale on October 16th at The Sterling Center, 4570 Fostoria Avenue, Findlay, OH. The Jelly Jammers will meet on Saturday, October 15th, at 3:00 PM at the Sterling Center during dealer setup. There will be a Jelly Jammer sales table at the show again this year. The next North American Glass auction will have items from the collection of Mike Jordan. The auction will take place in late November. There is a new blog entry at Minnetrista about Ball history. It is titled Out of the Mold and describes some of the altered molds that Ball produced jars from. Where you are there, also check out Karen Vincent s blog on Colors of Glass :

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