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1 National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA Phone: Fax: M E M O R A N D U M TO: FROM: NFPA Technical Committee on Lightning Protection Kimberly Shea DATE: December 3, 2012 SUBJECT: NFPA 780 ROC TC FINAL Ballot Results (A2013) According to the final ballot results, all ballot items received the necessary affirmative votes to pass ballot. 28 Members Eligible to Vote 1 (G. Berger) 25 Affirmative on All 2 s (W. Heary, R. Rapp) 0 Abstentions The attached report shows the number of affirmative, negative, and abstaining votes as well as the explanation of the vote for each Comment. Votes received from alternate members are not included unless the ballot from the principal member was not received. There are two criteria necessary for each first revision to pass ballot: (1) simple majority and (2) affirmative 2/3 vote. The mock examples below show how the calculations are determined. (1) Simple Majority: Assuming there are 20 vote eligible committee members, 11 affirmative votes are required to pass ballot. (20 members eligible to vote 2 = = 11) (2) Affirmative 2/3: Assuming there are 20 vote eligible committee members, 1 ballot not returned and 2 abstentions, the number of affirmative votes required would be 12. (20 members eligible to vote 1 not returned 2 abstentions = 17 x 0.66 = = 12)
2 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Entire Document (Log # 30 ) 780-1a Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Entire Document (Log # CC1 ) 780-1b Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : 1 Entire Document (Log # CC7 ) Rapp, R. The committee has gone beyond its scope as written and if it is the intent of the committee to truly expand it s scope, then the scope of the committee needs to be rewritten Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Scope (Log # 63 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 1 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : Bonded (Bonding) (Log # 81 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : x Couterpoise Conductor (Log # 32 )
3 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : x Intermediate-Level Potential Equalization (New) (Log # 44 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : x Intermediate-Loop Conductors (New) (Log # 45 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 33 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : Shoulder Pavement (New) (Log # 17 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 31 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : 1 Chapter 4 (Log # 56 ) Rapp, R. This information serves no purpose except for the purpose of making a false conception of individual industry differences, this document should not be used as a platform to serve and industry segments' agenda. Inconsistent with other sections of the document note Para a Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # CC3 )
4 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Table (Log # 34 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Table (Log # 35 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 72 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : 1 4.6, 4.7, and 4.8 (Log # 74 ) Rapp, R No technical/scientific testing/basis to back up change from the rest of the documents requirements (b) - When a 10" air terminal is used as a mid-roof air terminal with 50' spacing, the sphere contacts the roof, in fact, it goes below the roof and therefor the protection is lost. 10" air terminals should not be allowed for mid-roof air terminals Geometry is not the only thing to determine the zone of protection. An Example is if a AHJ determines that a 100' radius should be applied and not the 150', then not only the geometry but a human has determined the zone of protection. The statement, as written, is incorrect. Morgan, M the word "fix" should be "for" the word "Donners" should be "Dormers" the word "roar" should be "roof" the phrase "one-lo-two zone" should be "one-to-two zone" Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 64 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 84 )
5 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 36 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 38 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 73 ) a Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # CC6 ) Guthrie, M. The committee should consider revision of Figure A (a) to 3-d view to be consistent with Figure A (b) in next revision. Harger, T. This could be an issue with the fonts used in the ballot. In and A the symbol l for length of the conductor did not reproduce properly b Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : 1 4.7, 4.8 (Log # CC4 ) Rapp, R Was arbitrarily put into the document with out any technical/scientific substantiation, a potentially hazardous situation may exist without any technical backing for the committees actions. The lack of "technical substantiation" has been used by this committee to reject recommendations in this ROC as well as past ROC's. General - Many of the conclusions in this section and in other locations of this document are based on IEC document. The NFPA 780 document is a "stand alone" document that is now relying upon a Non U.S. Standard Writing Organization as the basis for a U.S. Based Installation Standard document. Morgan, M. Spelling errors noted in are corrected in this submission Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : and 4.8 (Log # 65 )
6 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : and A (new ) (Log # 77 ) Rapp, R. Dictionary.com has "no dictionary results" for "pennitted" and neither does the spell checker for this ballot Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 39 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 75 ) Rapp, R. This was arbitrarily put into the document with out any technical/scientific substantiation, a potentially hazardous situation may exist without any technical backing for the committees actions. The lack of "technical substantiation" has been used by this committee to reject recommendations in this ROC as well as past ROC's Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 76 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 40 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : and (Log # 66 )
7 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 29 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 78 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 60 ) Rapp, R. Galvanized steel has been used in the U.S. electrical industry with decades of history as a substantiation for approving it. Reference NFPA 70, Para (3), (5) (a), Para (A) (1), (B) (1) and 344 (C). If we can reference the "Non-U.S. based" IEC Standards as a basis for this document judgments, surely we can refer to a U.S.'s NFPA Standard for the Electrical Industry in a similar fashion. Guthrie, M. I believe better wording in the Committee Statement would be that galvanized steel has a history of corrosion in some soil conditions Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 41 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 42 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 55 ) Rapp, R. The document has not set a benchmark or a definition for "high grounding system resistance" unless there is a basis for what is high or low system resistance, we have done nothing more than referenced a "Non-U.S. based standard" for a U.S. base standard, even in the Appendix.
8 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 5 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 43 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (3) and (7) (Log # 4 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : through 4.21 (Log # 67 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 6 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 59 ) Guthrie, M. The submitter is encouraged to provide supporting information to the committee for future consideration. While the lightning channel may contain temperatures of 50,000 degrees, lightning protection conductors primarily conduct current so this temperature will not appear along the length of the down conductor. The primary thermal consideration for down conductors is ohmic heating resulting from lightning current density Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 46 )
9 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 47 ) Rapp, R. The submitters' numbers are correct, the committees' response numbers' are incorrect. See Para of the 780 document Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 7 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 48 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 49 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure (Log # 50 ) Rapp, R. Substantiation is incorrect, NFPA 780 is not a "code" in the U.S., since If the substantiation is to meet the Manual of Style, it would be correct a Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : , , (Log # CC2 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 79 )
10 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 80 ) Rapp, R. Should read: " Bonding plates shall have an approved cable connection with a permanent connection to the structural metal framework so as to maintain electrical continuity." The verbiage of the original text is limiting without just cause Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 62 ) Harger, T. Editorial - - the fonts in the ballot may be the fault. Confirm that (Imax) and µs are correct and delete references to ROP at the end of the text: Signal, data, and communications SPDs' shall have a maximum discharge current (Imax) rating of at least 10kA 8/20 µs or greater when installed at the entrance Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Chapter 7 (Log # 28 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 52 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 53 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : and 8.10 (Log # 54 )
11 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Chapter 11 (New) (Log # 70 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (New) (Log # 18 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : and A (New) (Log # 26 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : Note (New) (Log # 19 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure , , and A (Log # 14 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure , Title (Log # 20 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure and A (Log # 15 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure , Title (Log # 21 ) 10
12 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (New) (Log # 22 ) a Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Chapter 12 (Log # CC5 ) Caie, M. We would like to take this opportunity to provide further comments on the relevant chapter in the ROC, understanding the late stage in the current cycle, much of this feedback is position and on an interpretive nature. -General Comment; The PV industry refers modules, not panels as we have stated. In the future maybe we can clarify this. The scope of this chapter is for thermal and PV systems, therefore at this point changing panel to module across the board is not appropriate. However deference to these differences could be defined in the definitions of this document going forward -General comment; PV or photovoltaic terminology, to align with NEC which one should be used consistently (1) change solar panel to thermal solar panel (2) change solar panel to thermal solar panel (4) change DC solar array to PV output circuit Surge protection in accordance with 4.20 shall be provided on the DC output of the solar panel from positive to negative, positive to ground and negative to ground, at the combiner and re-combiner box for multiple solar panels photovoltaic output circuits, and at the AC output of the inverter or paralleled inverters change panel/s to circuits change panel s to circuit Franklin, D. I do not believe the text of was the intent of the committee. I believe the intent was to mount to frame only at panel arrays Strike termination devices shall not be secured directly to the panels or panel frames of photovaltaic panels and arrays.
13 12 Harger, T. These comments are the result of a teleconference that occurred November 29, This teleconference included a dozen people and was a reaction of a group of interested individuals in the photovoltaic systems industry to the proposed chapter 12 being published in the ROP. Three of the participants are NEC Code Panel 4 members. This teleconference included three members of the Solar Panel Task Group of the NFPA 780 TC. Many of the concerns of the PV industry were actually addressed by the TC in CC5, which this group had not seen. The group did have comments and concerns regarding terminology in the proposed chapter 12 and terminology used in Article 690 of the NEC. The proposed chapter 12 is intended to cover all types of solar systems and thus that term was used. Unfortunately that terminology caused confusion when used in reference to PV systems. In an effort to coordinate with Article 690 of the NEC and provide clarification, the task group offers the following comments: (1) change solar panel to thermal solar panel (2) change solar panel to thermal solar panel (4) change DC solar array to PV output circuit Surge protection in accordance with 4.20 shall be provided on the DC output of the solar panel from positive to negative, positive to ground and negative to ground, at the combiner and re-combiner box for multiple solar panels photovoltaic output circuits, and at the AC output of the inverter or paralleled inverters change panel/s to circuits change panel s to circuit I believe these comments to be editorial in nature and clarify the intent of the new chapter. This will make the chapter more useable. Although late in the cycle of NFPA , this teleconference was very beneficial to all involved. It served to highlight the TC s original intent of this new chapter was to include requirements for dealing with these systems on structures with lightning protection systems, as well as when desired, provide guidance for the protection for these systems where they are ground mounted or mounted on structures without a lightning protection systems. It was not the TC s intent to mandate lightning protection systems for all solar or PV systems installed throughout the country. As with all buildings, it is appropriate to do a risk assessment to determine the need for lightning protection. It also served to highlight the need for full collaboration with industry in standards development Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 82 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (New) (Log # 83 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : (Log # 61 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (New) (Log # 37 )
14 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A.4.14 (Log # 10 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (Log # 8 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (Log # 9 ) Guthrie, M. Editorial comment: [ROP-40] should be removed from the end of the text when published Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (New) (Log # 68 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (Log # 11 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 26 : 1 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (Log # 12 ) Heary, W. Surge Protection should not be in NFPA Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A.4.19 (Log # 13 )
15 Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (Log # 51 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (Log # 69 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure A (a) and A (b) (Log # 16 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (New) (Log # 23 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure A , Title (Log # 24 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 A (New) (Log # 25 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure B (Log # 58 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 B and Figure B (Log # 57 )
16 15 Guthrie, M. It is suggested that in editing the changes to the document, NFPA staff edit the other locations in the document where "150 feet (46 m)" appears to "150 feet (45 m)" for consistency throughout the document Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Figure L.2 (Log # 27 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 O (Log # 2 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 O.2.4 (Log # 3 ) Eligible To Vote:28 Affirmative: 27 : 0 Abstain: 0 : 1 Chapter X (New) (Log # 71 )
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