Past, Present and Future By Stan Briggs, K8SB Trustee of WY8DOT
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1 Past, Present and Future By Stan Briggs, K8SB Trustee of WY8DOT
2 Past, Present and Future By Stan Briggs, K8SB Trustee of WY8DOT Presented to the Motor City Radio Club October 7, 2011
3 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Two meter FM employed modified commercial two way service radios
4 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Two meter FM employed modified commercial two way service radios FCC Split commercial channels making a lot of inexpensive surplus available
5 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Two meter FM employed modified commercial two way service radios FCC Split commercial channels making a lot of inexpensive surplus available A popular system was called the Two case Motorola.
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9 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Two meter FM employed modified commercial two way service radios FCC Split commercial channels making a lot of inexpensive surplus available A popular system was called the Two case Motorola These were all tube sets. No Transistors!
10 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s In the Detroit area there were two frequencies in use:
11 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s In the Detroit area there were two frequencies in use: MHz and MHz
12 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s In the Detroit area there were two frequencies in use: MHz and MHz Novice and Technicians could use MHz to MHz only.
13 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s In the Detroit area there were two frequencies in use: MHz and MHz Novice and Technicians could use MHz to MHz only. There were 5 FCC engineers in the Detroit office all hams. They were all on nightly on Mhz
14 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Most all stations used high vertical ground planes or vertical multi-element beams.
15 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Most all stations used high vertical ground planes or vertical multi-element beams. Communications from base to mobiles over distances of 30 or 40 miles was common.
16 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Most all stations used high vertical ground planes or vertical multi-element beams. Communications from base to mobiles over distances of 30 or 40 miles was common. Mobile to mobile was rarely greater than 10 miles.
17 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Most all stations used high vertical ground planes or vertical multi-element beams. Communications from base to mobiles over distances of 30 or 40 miles was common. Mobile to mobile was rarely greater than 10 miles. There were very few Handy Talkies in use!
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19 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Marion Stoner, W8VWY, was a big promoter of two meter FM
20 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters y Early 1960s Marion Stoner, W8VWY, was a big promoter of two meter FM
21 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Marion Stoner, W8VWY, was a big promoter of two meter FM
22 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Marion Stoner, W8VWY, was a big promoter of two meter FM He published for quite a few years a monthly list of all stations active on MHz. in Southeastern Michigan.
23 This October 1, 1964 list had 144 call signs listed on it.
24 Detroit area 2 Meter FM Before Repeaters Early 1960s Marion Stoner, W8VWY, was a big promoter of two meter FM He published for quite a few years a monthly list of all stations active on MHz..94 was the main stay of local amateur radio communications.
25 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Late 1960 The first two major repeaters in the Detroit area:
26 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Late 1960 The first two major repeaters in the Detroit area: Input Output D.A.R T.
27 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Late 1960 The first two major repeaters in the Detroit area: Input Output D.A.R T Input Output Great Lakes
28 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Late 1960 The first two major repeaters in the Detroit area: Input Output D.A.R T Input Output Great Lakes All Radios were crystal controlled
29 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Late 1960 The first two major repeaters in the Detroit area: Input Output D.A.R T Input Output Great Lakes All Radios were crystal controlled The introduction of the Regency HR-2
30 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Late 1960 The first two major repeaters in the Detroit area: Input Output D.A.R T Input Output Great Lakes All Radios were crystal controlled The introduction of the Regency HR-2
31 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Late 1960 The first two major repeaters in the Detroit area: Input Output D.A.R T Input Output Great Lakes All Radios were crystal controlled The introduction of the Regency HR-2 Along came the Standard Split: 600 KHz
32 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters 1974 The Wyandotte Repeater was coordinated to use MHz Input MHz by the Michigan Area Repeater Council.
33 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters 1974 The Wyandotte Repeater was coordinated to use MHz Input MHz by the Michigan Area Repeater Council. The repeater came on the air using the call sign WR8AFV.
34 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters 1974 The Wyandotte Repeater was coordinated to use MHz Input MHz by the Michigan Area Repeater Council. The repeater came on the air using the call sign WR8AFV. The system was a Split Site
35 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters 1974 The Wyandotte Repeater was coordinated to use MHz Input MHz by the Michigan Area Repeater Council. The repeater came on the air using the call sign WR8AFV. The system was a Split Site The receiver was at W8SSO s QTH in Southgate.
36 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters 1974 The Wyandotte Repeater was coordinated to use MHz Input MHz by the Michigan Area Repeater Council. The repeater came on the air using the call sign WR8AFV. The system was a Split Site The receiver was at W8SSO s QTH in Southgate. The transmitter was at WB8DRT s QTH in Wyandotte.
37 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters 1974 The Wyandotte Repeater was coordinated to use MHz Input MHz by the Michigan Area Repeater Council. The repeater came on the air using the call sign WR8AFV. The system was a Split Site The receiver was at W8SSO s QTH in Southgate. The transmitter was at WB8DRT s QTH in Wyandotte. They used a leased telephone line between the locations.
38 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Split site operation A long twisted pair phone line looks like:
39 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Split site operation A long twisted pair phone line looks like:
40 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Split site operation A long twisted pair phone line looks like: A Low Pass Filter.
41 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Split site operation A long twisted pair phone line looks like: A Low Pass Filter. It sounded like talking in a rain barrel!
42 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters Split site operation A long twisted pair phone line looks like: A Low Pass Filter. It sounded like talking in a rain barrel! I used my experience while in college working for WKLZ to equalize the line.
43 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater using VHF Engineering Kits:
44 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater using VHF Engineering Kits: Receiver
45 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater using VHF Engineering Kits: Receiver Transmitter
46 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater using VHF Engineering Kits: Receiver Transmitter COR/ID Board
47 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater using VHF Engineering Kits: Receiver Transmitter COR/ID Board 12 volt regulated powersupply
48 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater. It used a new Sinclair 4 can Duplexer.
49 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater. It used a new Sinclair 4 can Duplexer. On the air from W8SSO s QTH as WR8AIR
50 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater. It used a new Sinclair 4 can Duplexer. On the air from W8SSO s QTH as WR8AIR For a while at the BASF South Works Power House
51 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater. It used a new Sinclair 4 can Duplexer. On the air from W8SSO s QTH as WR8AIR For a while at the BASF South Works Power House Back at W8SSO s QTH
52 The Beginnings of Detroit Area Repeaters c 1976 Single Site Repeater W8SSO constructed a new repeater. It used a new Sinclair 4 can Duplexer. On the air from W8SSO s QTH as WR8AIR For a while at the BASF South Works Power House Back at W8SSO s QTH In 1979 W8SSO announced that the repeater was for sale
53 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership A group formed to purchase the repeater
54 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership A group formed to purchase the repeater K8SB
55 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership A group formed to purchase the repeater K8SB WB8AFO
56 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership A group formed to purchase the repeater K8SB WB8AFO WD8KZO
57 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership A group formed to purchase the repeater K8SB WB8AFO WD8KZO WD8KZX
58 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership A group formed to purchase the repeater K8SB WB8AFO WD8KZO WD8KZX WA8FRE
59 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership A group formed to purchase the repeater K8SB WB8AFO WD8KZO WD8KZX WA8FRE WD8CSA
60 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership Operated under K8SB s Repeater Call sign WR8AOX
61 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership Operated under K8SB s Repeater Call sign WR8AOX Located at WB8CWI s QTH in Trenton while a permanent location was found.
62 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership Operated under K8SB s Repeater Call sign WR8AOX Located at WB8CWI s QTH in Trenton while a permanent location was found. In December 1979 an Agreement was signed to allow the placement of the repeater at the Riverview Coop Apartments
63 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership Operated under K8SB s Repeater Call sign WR8AOX Located at WB8CWI s QTH in Trenton while a permanent location was found. In December 1979 an Agreement was signed to allow the placement of the repeater at the Riverview Coop Apartments. The HAAT was 150 feet and 50 watts ERP from a colinear antenna mounted on the South East corner of the elevator penthouse. (Only service at the time)
64 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership FCC Rules changed to allow Amateur Radio Operators to hold only one call sign.
65 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership FCC Rules changed to allow Amateur Radio Operators to hold only one call sign. At the time K8SB also held W8MPD, WR8AOX, and an Auxiliary Link call sign. So a choice of which call to renew had to be made.
66 The Wyandotte Repeater New Ownership FCC Rules changed to allow Amateur Radio Operators to hold only one call sign. At the time K8SB also held W8MPD, WR8AOX, and an Auxiliary Link call sign. So a choice of which call to renew had to be made. K8SB was chosen.
67 The Wyandotte Repeater Equipment Changes In 1994 the antenna became noisy.
68 The Wyandotte Repeater Equipment Changes In 1994 the antenna became noisy. A db Products commercial 4 bay folded dipole antenna was purchased and installed.
69 The Wyandotte Repeater Equipment Changes In 1994 the antenna became noisy. A db Products commercial 4 bay folded dipole antenna was purchased and installed.
70 The Wyandotte Repeater Equipment Changes In 1994 the antenna became noisy. A db Products commercial 4 bay folded dipole antenna was purchased and installed. In 2002 the country became much more concerned about security. We were required to immediately move the repeater out of the elevator machine room.
71 The Wyandotte Repeater Equipment Changes In 1994 the antenna became noisy. A db Products commercial 4 bay folded dipole antenna was purchased and installed. In 2002 the country became much more concerned about security. We were required to immediately move the repeater out of the elevator machine room. A commercial two way radio communications company was hired to move the equipment one floor down and replace the hard line to the antenna.
72 The Wyandotte Repeater Equipment Changes In 1994 the antenna became noisy. A db Products commercial 4 bay folded dipole antenna was purchased and installed. In 2002 the country became much more concerned about security. We were required to immediately move the repeater out of the elevator machine room. A commercial two way radio communications company was hired to move the equipment one floor down and replace the hard line to the antenna. Same equipment until the Spring of 2011
73 The Wyandotte Repeater Formation of The Wyandotte Amateur Radio Repeater Association in 2010 Association was chartered under the State of Michigan as a Non-Profit corporation
74 The Wyandotte Repeater Formation of The Wyandotte Amateur Radio Repeater Association in 2010 Association was chartered under the State of Michigan as a Non-Profit corporation Obtained the Call Sign WY8DOT
75 The Wyandotte Repeater Formation of The Wyandotte Amateur Radio Repeater Association in 2010 Association was chartered under the State of Michigan as a Non-Profit corporation Obtained the Call Sign WY8DOT Became an ARRL Affiliated Club Purchased newly required Liability Insurance
76 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction
77 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction Obtained a used Motorola MSF-5000 Repeater, a new Arcom RC-210 Controller, surplus Motorola cabinets, used Motorola UHF transceiver from Ebay and a small 12 volt DC power supply.
78 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction Obtained a used Motorola MSF-5000 Repeater, a new Arcom RC-210 Controller, surplus Motorola cabinets, used Motorola UHF transceiver from Ebay and a small 12 volt DC power supply. Eric, K8UH and T.J. KC8LTS interfaced the RC-210 Controller with the MSF-5000 and programmed both for operation on MHz / MHz
79 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction Obtained a used Motorola MSF-5000 Repeater, a new Arcom RC-210 Controller, surplus Motorola cabinets, used Motorola UHF transceiver from Ebay and a small 12 volt DC power supply. Eric, K8UH and T.J. KC8LTS interfaced the RC-210 Controller with the MSF-5000 and programmed both for operation on MHz / MHz K8UH, KC8LTS and K8SB configured the UHF transceiver for control functions.
80 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car!
81 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing.
82 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing.
83 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing. We spent quite a bit of time attempting to solve an echo problem.
84 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing. We spent quite a bit of time attempting to solve an echo problem. It was finally ready to move the Riverview Coop apartment site.
85 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing. We spent quite a bit of time attempting to solve an echo problem. It was finally ready to move the Riverview Coop apartment site.
86 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing. We spent quite a bit of time attempting to solve an echo problem. It was finally ready to move the Riverview Coop apartment site.
87 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing. We spent quite a bit of time attempting to solve an echo problem. It was finally ready to move the Riverview Coop apartment site.
88 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction A few days after moving the equipment K8SB, KC8LTS and WA8FRD moved the duplexer from the old repeater into the new repeater. KC8LTS retuned the duplexer.
89 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction All of this work was done in T.J.s garage during the fall and winter of 2010 until T.J. s XYL insisted on the garage space back for her car! The repeater was moved to John, N8KAM s garage for more testing. We spent quite a bit of time attempting to solve an echo problem. It was finally ready to move the Riverview Coop apartment site.
90 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction
91 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction
92 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction The new repeater was placed into service on March 16, 2011.
93 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction The new repeater was placed into service on March 16, watts out of the duplexer
94 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction The new repeater was placed into service on March 16, watts out of the duplexer.5 db loss in hardline giving 44.6 watts into the antenna
95 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction The new repeater was placed into service on March 16, watts out of the duplexer.5 db loss in hardline giving 44.6 watts into the antenna 9 db gain in the major direction = 397 watts ERP
96 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Construction The new repeater was placed into service on March 16, watts out of the duplexer.5 db loss in hardline giving 44.6 watts into the antenna 9 db gain in the major direction = 397 watts ERP 6 db gain average giving 199 watts.
97 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Features The repeater transmits a 100 hz CTCSS tone for use with the tone squelch function in user s transceivers.
98 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Features The repeater transmits a 100 hz CTCSS tone for use with the tone squelch function in user s transceivers. Squelch Burst inhibiting.
99 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Features The repeater transmits a 100 hz CTCSS tone for use with the tone squelch function in user s transceivers. Squelch Burst inhibiting. Courtesy tone
100 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Features The repeater transmits a 100 hz CTCSS tone for use with the tone squelch function in user s transceivers. Squelch Burst inhibiting. Courtesy tone Voice ID
101 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Features The repeater transmits a 100 hz CTCSS tone for use with the tone squelch function in user s transceivers. Squelch Burst inhibiting. Courtesy tone Voice ID CW ID
102 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Features The repeater transmits a 100 hz CTCSS tone for use with the tone squelch function in user s transceivers. Squelch Burst inhibiting. Courtesy tone Voice ID CW ID CTCSS (PL) Access
103 The Wyandotte Repeater New Repeater Features The repeater transmits a 100 hz CTCSS tone for use with the tone squelch function in user s transceivers. Squelch Burst inhibiting. Courtesy tone Voice ID CW ID CTCSS (PL) Access Digital Voice Record/Playback
104 The Wyandotte Repeater Features that probably will be added in the future
105 The Wyandotte Repeater Features that may be added in the future Scheduled voice announcements such as announcing the MCRC 2 meter net, Metro Grand Spring tour, Etc
106 The Wyandotte Repeater Features that may be added in the future Scheduled voice announcements such as announcing the MCRC 2 meter net, Metro Grand Spring tour, Etc An uninterruptable power supply
107 The Wyandotte Repeater Features that may be added in the future Scheduled voice announcements such as announcing the MCRC 2 meter net, Metro Grand Spring tour, Etc An uninterruptable power supply A different Courtesy tone when PL access is enabled
108 The Wyandotte Repeater Features that may be added in the future Scheduled voice announcements such as announcing the MCRC 2 meter net, Metro Grand Spring tour, Etc An uninterruptable power supply A different Courtesy tone when PL access is enabled Remote meter reading such as equipment and outdoor temperatures, power supply voltage, etc.
109 WY8DOT Experimental EchoLink
110 WY8DOT Experimental EchoLink WY8DOT is experimenting with a full time EchoLink system connected to the repeater.
111 WY8DOT Experimental EchoLink WY8DOT is experimenting with a full time EchoLink system connected to the repeater.
112 WY8DOT Experimental EchoLink
113 WY8DOT Experimental EchoLink
114 The Future for WY8DOT
115 The Future for WY8DOT?
116 The Future for WY8DOT Immediate Project: Debug an intermittent PL issue.
117 The Future for WY8DOT Immediate Project: Debug an intermittent PL issue. Replace the UHF antenna
118 The Future for WY8DOT Immediate Project: Debug an intermittent PL issue. Replace the UHF antenna Keep the Wyandotte Repeater on the air for years to come.
119 The Officers of the Wyandotte Amateur Repeater Association
120 The Officers of the Wyandotte Amateur Repeater Association President: John N8KAM
121 The Officers of the Wyandotte Amateur Repeater Association President: John N8KAM Vice President: Eric K8UH
122 The Officers of the Wyandotte Amateur Repeater Association President: John N8KAM Vice President: Eric K8UH Secretary: Dale WA8FRD
123 The Officers of the Wyandotte Amateur Repeater Association President: John N8KAM Vice President: Eric K8UH Secretary: Dale WA8FRD Treasurer: Ruth WB8AFO
124 The Officers of the Wyandotte Amateur Repeater Association President: John N8KAM Vice President: Eric K8UH Secretary: Dale WA8FRD Treasurer: Ruth WB8AFO WY8DOT Trustee and Tech Committee Chairman: Stan K8SB
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