1 INTERVIEW WITH: JENNIFER GRAVES KIRK GRAVES JOSH POWELL STEVE POWELL ELANA POWELL DATE OF INTERVIEW: JANUARY 22, 2010 CASE NUMBER: 09I054602 DATE TRANSCRIBED: AUGUST 3, 2011 TRANSCRIBED BY: MICHELLE TAPIA 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 UM. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS? I WANT TO HEAR. NO, I M JUST KIDDING, OKAY, GO AHEAD, WHAT? UH, WE VE BEEN HEARING RUMORS. WHAT RUMORS? THE RUMOR IS THAT, UM, IT S GOING TO BE SOON, THAT YOU LL PROBABLY BE ARRESTED SOON. WE (INAUDIBLE) HEAR STUFF FROM THE MEDIA AND THEY START ASKING QUESTIONS AND THEN THEN THAT S WHEN THEY ASK STUFF CONCERNING. (PAUSE) WELL I DON T KNOW. WHY ARE THEY SAYING THAT? I DON T KNOW, BUT, BUT I DON T KNOW. (INAUDIBLE). WELL I DON T KNOW. (INAUDIBLE) WHY DID THE COPS TELL YOU THAT? (INAUDIBLE) I DON T KNOW WHAT THEY RE TALKING ABOUT. (INAUDIBLE) WELL YOU RE GOING TO GO AWAY FOR A LONG TIME. I DON T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. NO, I DON T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU, LET RUMORS, YOU RE. I JUST, I JUST (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOESN T LOOK GOOD IX.03.000011
2 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 (INAUDIBLE). MEAN LIKE? IT WOULD REDUCE THE SENTENCE JOSH. NO, NO, DON T BE RIDICULOUS. YOU KNOW THAT COULD PUT YOU AWAY FOR A LONG TIME. I DON T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AND YOU RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR BOYS FOR YEARS. UH, I HAVEN T DONE ANYTHING AND THERE IS NO POLICE (INAUDIBLE) THEN WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THESE RUMORS. I DON T KNOW. I DON T KNOW WHAT RUMORS YOU RE TALKING ABOUT. (INAUDIBLE) THAT YOU WERE SOME (INAUDIBLE) WHERE WERE YOU GOING WITH THAT? (INAUDIBLE) YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT? WHERE DID YOU GO? I THINK YOU WERE GOING HUNDREDS OF MILES ON TUESDAY, WHERE WERE YOU GOING WITH THAT? (INAUDIBLE) RIGHT AFTER YOU GOT THE RENTAL CAR, WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT THAT? WHERE DID YOU GO? NO WHERE. FOR HUNDREDS OF MILES? JP YEAH. NOWHERE, WHERE? I DIDN T GO ANYWHERE. YOU JUST DROVE AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE? YEAH. K. I MEAN, WHATEVER YOU KNOW, THERE S NO POLICE (INAUDIBLE), I MEAN, YOU NOW. I DOUBT THE RUMORS. THERE S NO (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW. (INAUDIBLE) WHO KNOWS THEY RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY DO? YEAH. AND THINK WHAT THEY THINK, I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. IX.03.000012
54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 3 YEAH. (INAUDIBLE) I JUST DON T THINK. I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, I MEAN I DON T THINK IT S SOMETHING THAT, I M, I M, IT S NOT SOMETHING I CAN PUT A LOT OF WORRY INTO. YOU KNOW? YEAH. I DON T KNOW SO WHAT HAPPENED ON SUNDAY. REALLY, YOU, YOU TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED? MY ATTORNEY S TOLD ME PLEASE DON T TALK ABOUT IT. (INAUDIBLE). THIS ISN T ABOUT YOUR ATTORNEY S JOSH. WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT? I VE ALREADY TOLD, YOU KNOW I SAT DOWN WITH THE COPS I TOLD THEM EVERYTHING. WELL YOU DIDN T TELL ME ANYTHING. I VE ASKED. BUT YOU HAVEN T SAID ANYTHING TO ME. I ASKED. BUT YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO ME (INAUDIBLE) WHAT HAPPENED? YOU KNOW, I VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I M NOT GOING TO VIOLATE MY ATTORNEY RIGHTS BECAUSE MY ATTORNEY SAID TO DEFLECT ME AGAINST THE RUMORS. THIS ISN T ABOUT RUMORS JOSH. I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. I MEAN IF THEY THINK THEY VE GOT SOMETHING THEY THINK THEY VE GOT SOMETHING. THEY CAN COME BARRELING IN HERE ANY DAY THEY WANT. YEAH. YOU KNOW LIKE I SAY. UH-HUH. YOU KNOW EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, WE DON T WORRY ABOUT RUMORS. I M SURE THEY DON T WORRY ABOUT THE RUMORS. (INAUDIBLE). WHY NOT? WHY DON T YOU TELL ME? WHY DON T YOU PUT MY MIND AT EASE AND TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED. I M YOUR SISTER, THINK ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN. SHE S YOUR WIFE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. WHAT HAPPENED? IX.03.000013
84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 4 I DON T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I DON T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? WELL WHAT DID YOU DO? WHAT DID YOU DO THAT NIGHT? WHAT DO YOU KNOW? I LL TELL YOU THIS, WE, WE VE BEEN DOING REALLY GOOD IN OUR WHOLE RELATIONSHIP AND WE HAD, HAD A REALLY GOOD WEEKEND THAT WHOLE WEEKEND. SO YOU HAD A GREAT WEEKEND. BUT IT WASN T A GREAT RELATIONSHIP THOUGH. LEADING UP TO THAT IT WASN T. OKAY. (INAUDIBLE). I DON T KNOW WHAT YOU, I DON T KNOW WHAT YOU RE TRYING TO GET ME TO SAY, I MEAN THE FACT IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE RUMORS. YEAH. I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, THEY CAN HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT. WELL. I MEAN IS THAT THE MEDIA? IS THAT NEWS STORY THAT THEY RE RUNNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NO. THAT S THE PLAIN FACT THAT I KNOW, IT WASN T GOOD FOR A LONG TIME. (INAUDIBLE). I M ACCORDING TO SUSAN, SHE WASN T SHE WASN T HAPPY. JUST A FEW WEEKS BEFORE SHE CALLED ME OVER SOME BIG BLOW UP THAT YOU GUYS HAD. AND SHE WAS PISSED. I M JUST WONDERING WHY, WHY SUDDENLY SHE ISN T HERE AND YOU DIDN T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT? REALLY, REALLY. CAN YOU LOOK ME IN THE EYE, AND TELL ME YOU REALLY DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT? I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. I, I D BEEN UP BEFORE.BEFORE, PEOPLE WANT ME TO, YOU KNOW? I GUESS I M CONFUSED. THEY WANT YOU TO DO WHAT? THEY WANT YOU TO TELL THEM WHAT HAPPENED AND YOU WON T TELL THEM? I DON T UNDERSTAND WHY. IX.03.000014
114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 5 THAT S RIDICULOUS, THAT S RIDICULOUS. I VE ALWAYS TOLD EVERYTHING TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO KNOW AND THE PUBLIC AND FRANKLY ANYONE ELSE DOESN T. WELL, NO I DON T THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POLICE? THE POLICE NEED TO KNOW. THE POLICE NEED YOUR HELP. IF YOU REALLY DIDN T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT THEY NEED TO KNOW. THE SMALL DETAILS, THEY NEED TO KNOW THE THINGS ABOUT SUSAN THAT ONLY YOU WOULD KNOW. HOW COME YOU WON T COMMUNICATE WITH THEM? I COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND I COMMUNICATE THROUGH MY ATTORNEY. (INAUDIBLE) YOU AREN T COMMUNICATING ANY MORE. NO, I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. IT JUST DOESN T SEEM LIKE YOU CARE AT ALL. HONESTLY, I DON T, I CAN T BELIEVE THAT YOU VE BEEN SAYING THAT STUFF. YOU WALKED AWAY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN WALKED AWAY? YOU WALKED AWAY. YOUR, YOUR FAMILY MAY LOSE YOUR HOUSE, YOU RE WALKING AWAY FROM IT. THAT HOUSE I CAN T AFFORD. WELL, THEY RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT OUT FROM UNDER YOU RIGHT NOW. WELL. WELL YOU HAVEN T PUT ANY EFFORT IN HELPING FIND HER AT ALL. THAT S NOT TRUE. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? HEY, (INAUDIBLE) WATCH THE DOOR. WHY DON T YOU ME AND JENNY GO DOWN, PROBABLY GO DOWN TO COSTCO AND LOOK AT CAKES WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO DO IT BACK ON THE WAY TO (INAUDIBLE) YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO IX.03.000015
144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 6 GO PRETTY SOON BECAUSE WE GOT A CAKE AND WE DON T WANT THEM TO, THEY MIGHT CLOSE THE BAKERY. UNLESS DID YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY? NO, THE BAKERY ALREADY CLOSED. OH. THEN WHAT. THEN PROBABLY. IF WE WANT THEM TO DECORATE, WE HAVE TO PICK IT UP IN THE MORNING. WELL WE SHOULD. (INAUDIBLE). (INAUDIBLE) CAN YOU ORDER IT TONIGHT THOUGH? WE RE HOPING. WITH THAT SAID. OKAY, OKAY THEN DO IT, I D GET OVER THERE THOUGH BECAUSE YOU RE PUSHING IT RIGHT UP TO THE END AND THERE S NOT A (INAUDIBLE). OKAY. THEY RE REALLY GOOD AT THAT. START PUSHING PEOPLE OUT THE DOOR AT EIGHT-THIRTY. SO I D GET OVER THERE RIGHT AWAY IF I WERE YOU. ALRIGHT. YOU NEED ONE FOR SUNDAY TOO RIGHT? CAKE FOR BOTH PARTIES? OKAY. YEAH WE WOULD HAVE TO ORDER TWO OF THEM. AND THEN PICK THEM UP TOMORROW YEAH. AND WE CAN KEEP THEM. PICK THEM UP BOTH TOMORROW, YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT. YEAH, THINK ABOUT THAT ANYWAY. I BETTER GET MY SHOES ON. (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE IT DOES BUG ME WHEN YOU COMPLETELY STAY AWAY FROM EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS TO BE HELPING AT ALL. WELL FOR ONE, I M WORKING ON THE WEBSITE. IT S NOT EXACTLY EASY, IX.03.000016
174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 7 BUT YOU KNOW, I M HOPING THAT PRETTY SOON THAT WE LL BE ABLE TO GO LIVE WITH IT. WELL, I M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. AND I M NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING IN THE PUBLIC, I DON T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS ABOUT ME. THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT. THAT S WHY I CAN T REALLY GO OUT THERE. PEOPLE COMPARE YOU TO MARK HACKING. HE GOT UP AND WALKED AWAY FROM HIS. WHO S MARK HACKING? I DON T EVEN KNOW WHO THAT IS AS SOON AS HE KILLED HIS WIFE. THAT S THE GUY THAT KILLED HIS WIFE, KILLED HIS WIFE AND PUT HER IN THE DUMP. OKAY, IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? YEAH, (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW WHAT PUTTING HER NAME OUT THERE. WHICH I DO. WHY HAVEN T YOU DONE THAT? I DO THAT TO EVERY PLACE I GO WHAT DO YOU MEAN EVERY PLACE YOU GO? I GIVE LOCAL FLYERS TO EVERYONE I SEE. I DO WHAT I CAN. YOU GO OUT? YEAH I DO. WELL GOOD. I DID ONE THIS MORNING I THINK. WELL GOOD. I DON T KNOW IF IT IS UP IN THE WINDOW OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW IT S UP TO PEOPLE WHAT THEY DO WITH THEM. I ASK, THEY SAY THEY WILL AND. AND WHAT? WHY WERE YOU HAVING SO MANY PROBLEMS RIGHT BEFORE (INAUDIBLE). WE WEREN T HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS. (INAUDIBLE). YOU WEREN T HAVING PROBLEMS? IX.03.000017
8 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 NO. I JUST DON T BUY IT. I TALKED TO SUSAN MYSELF, JOSH. SO DON T TELL ME THAT I DIDN T HEAR IT FROM HER. (PAUSE) JOSH, I M CONFUSED, WHY IS IT THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY REFUSED TO GO TO CHURCH? YOU SAID IT WAS COMPLETELY, ABSOLUTELY A WASTE OF TIME AND THEN JUST SUDDENLY YOU STARTED GOING RECENTLY. I DON T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS. LIKE THREE WEEKS BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED, YOU SUDDENLY DECIDE TO GO? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I DIDN T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WAS THAT A PLAN? IS THAT A PLAN? IT S PART OF A PLAN? I DON T KNOW WHAT YOU RE TRYING TO SAY HERE JENNY. I M, I M CONFUSED. THAT S NOT, THAT S NOT TRUE. BUT WE PROBABLY BETTER GO GET THE CAKE. (STATIC) (INAUDIBLE) AND NO THERE IS NO PLAN AND FRANKLY IT S REALLY HURTFUL THAT YOU WOULD SAY THOSE THINGS. (PAUSE) (INAUDIBLE) I M NOT GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THOSE THINGS. WHAT YOU RE SAYING IS NOT TRUE. WHERE, WHERE DID YOU PUT HER? SEE THESE ARE NOT, I CAN T EVEN BELIEVE YOU RE SAYING THAT. YEAH I CAN T BELIEVE, I CAN T BELIEVE WHAT S GOING ON. I WAS THERE THE DAY AFTER, YOU WERE CLEANING UP THE HOUSE, WHAT THE HECK IS THAT ABOUT? GOING THROUGH (INAUDIBLE) WHO DOES THAT RIGHT AFTER THEIR WIFE GOES MISSING? WHY DIDN T YOU, WHY WEREN T YOU, WHY WEREN T YOU OUT LOOKING? WHY WEREN T YOU OUT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING? WHY WERE YOU GOING AROUND THE HOUSE CLEANING? I DON T GET IT. WERE YOU TRYING TO COVER IT UP? WHERE IS SHE JOSH? WHERE IS SUSAN? WHERE, WHERE S THE BODY DID YOU DUMP IT SOMEWHERE. I VE ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT (INAUDIBLE) WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO IX.03.000018
9 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 HER OR WHERE SHE IS AT. I CAN SEE IT IN YOUR EYES, THERE IS SOMETHING THERE. YOU RE WRONG. I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, LET S JUST GO. (WHISPERS) WHERE IS SHE? AND GO GET A CAKE AND I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BECAUSE I VE ALREADY ANSWERED YOU. (INAUDIBLE) UM, I LL TALK TO YOU LATER. (STATIC) (INAUDIBLE) UM: YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I MEAN DEFINITELY ONE OF THE LEADING THINGS INFLUENCING OUR CONCEPTION OF THE BRAIN RIGHT NOW IS COMPARISON TO COMPUTERS TO COMPUTING RIGHT, RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH THERE S NOT MUCH COMPARISON. UM: THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES. AND BUT WHAT THE NEW THING IS (INAUDIBLE) THERE S BEEN SOME RESEARCH ON SOME DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THEY VE KIND OF FIGURED OUT THAT THERE THESE CERTAIN NUMBER OF ALGORITHMS THAT CAN TECHNICALLY PROGRAM ANYTHING. RIGHT. UM: LIKE ONCE YOU HAVE THIS, THIS, AND THIS, IT THEN ALLOWS FOR A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONDITIONALITY, CERTAIN LEVEL OF RECURSION A CERTAIN LEVEL OF (INAUDIBLE). RIGHT. UM: AND THEN YOU BASICALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A PROGRAM THAT HAS ANY FUNCTIONALITY. NOW, SO, I THINK THE FACT THAT (STATIC). GONNA HEAD OVER THERE? YEAH. JOSH YOU GOT TO LEAVE RIGHT AWAY, YOU RE GOING TO MISS OUT. PEOPLE DON T KNOW WHAT IT S LIKE TO GO THROUGH THIS AND TO GO IX.03.000019
10 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 THROUGH THE EVERYTHING, OKAY, THERE S NOT JUST MISSING SUSAN. I MISS SUSAN AND I M DEALING WITH A LOT OF THINGS, AND, YOU KNOW, THE MORE PEOPLE DO THESE THINGS, THESE ACCUSATORY THINGS, THE MORE I M GOING TO WITHDRAW. I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY YOU KNOW. AND PEOPLE CAN MAKE THEIR JUDGMENTS. I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE JUDGMENTS THAT S WHAT, THAT S WHAT HALF THIS COUNTRY DOES, THEY MAKE JUDGMENTS. I M READY TO GO NOW JOSH. (STATIC) I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO CONFESS NOW AND GET IT OVER WITH. DON T BE RIDICULOUS. I VE TOLD YOU ALREADY. I SEE IT IN YOUR FACE JOSH. I CAN SEE IT IN YOUR FACE. THEN, I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BECAUSE I VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. EVERYTHING I SEE AND NOW THIS. (INAUDIBLE). I DON T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN AND NOW THIS. AND NOW THIS IN YOUR FACE. I DON T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. I M GOING TO GO DO WHAT I M GOING TO DO, I M GOING TO GO GETTING READY FOR A PARTY. (INAUDIBLE) FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. I DON T BELIEVE THAT AT ALL. YOU MAY, BUT I DON T BELIEVE THAT AT ALL. NO, I KNOW THE TRUTH. WHAT IS THE TRUTH? I KNOW WHAT I VE DONE AND I HAVEN T DONE ANYTHING. I HAVEN T DONE ANYTHING I DON T KNOW WHERE SHE S AT. SO, I GUESS, IX.03.000020
11 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 UM, I GUESS, TO BE HONEST MAYBE WE BETTER GO GET THE CAKE AND. FIRST OF ALL THAT S NOT TRUE. IT IS TRUE. (INAUDIBLE). BUT, I M GOING TO GO, I M GOING TO GO UH, UH, I M GOING TO GO, I GOTTA GO JENNY. AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, I MEAN, YOU TOLD HIM AFTER THEN? TO BE QUITE HONEST, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, JUST HANG OUT OR WHATEVER THAT S FINE. NO. CAN WE (INAUDIBLE). (STATIC). I DON T THINK SO. THEY KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEY HAVE THEIR FACTS SO I LL TALK TO YOU LATER. (STATIC) LIES ABOUT THIS OKAY? I TOLD THE TRUTH AND THAT S (INAUDIBLE) YEAH. I M NOT GOING TO VIOLATE MY ATTORNEY S DIRECTION. YOU CAN PUT THE THING (INAUDIBLE) YOU CAN SIT THERE AND SAY THAT. YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE ATTORNEY S ALL THE TIME. WELL. IX.03.000021
12 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 (INAUDIBLE). DON T TALK TO ME LIKE THIS EVER AGAIN. THIS IS NOT (INAUDIBLE). UM: (INAUDIBLE). IF YOU LIKE IT, IF SPEND ANOTHER HUNDRED DOLLARS MORE, MORE ON CD SOFTWARE, WE CAN GET SOME ANIMATION SOFTWARE (INAUDIBLE). SO, SO OUR BIRTHDAY, SO OUR CHRISTMAS PRESENT IS GOING TO BE HIM BUYING HIMSELF SOME SOFTWARE? (LAUGHS) (INAUDIBLE). WE PROBABLY WON T SEE YOU TOMORROW BECAUSE WE, UH. ALRIGHT, HEY BRADEN CAN I HAVE A HUG BEFORE I GO? (TALKING). NO, OH, OKAY, TICKLE, DON T TICKLE YOU? LB: TICKLE ME. YEAH I WAS (INAUDIBLE). TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE. TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE, TICKLE. I LL GIVE YOU A HUG INSTEAD. OH, I GOTTA GO. (BACKGROUND CHATTER). YEAH SHE MENTIONED THEM. (BACKGROUND CHATTER). YOU COMING BACK TOMORROW FOR THE PARTY? I DON T KNOW I GUESS SO. THAT S FINE, UM (INAUDIBLE) IF YOU CAN COME SUNDAY OR EVEN EARLY SUNDAY MORNING. YEAH. TOMORROW S MORE FOR THE LITTLE KIDS ANYWAYS, SO I THINK THAT S WHY. YEAH MORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS INVOLVED. IX.03.000022
13 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 YEAH. NOT REALLY FOR US GROWN-UPS, (INAUDIBLE). YEAH. (INAUDIBLE). CHURCH, NOW THERE S TWO PLACES THAT HE LL BE HANGING OUT. (INAUDIBLE). THEY HAVE JUST TAKEN JOSH AND THE BOYS AND, YOU KNOW, IN, SORT OF, AS THEIR. YOU KNOW THEY KNOW THEY GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AND THEY KNOW WHAT S GOING ON AND. WE VE BEEN GOOD FRIENDS WITH BOTH OF THEM. THEY VE ALWAYS BEEN GOOD FRIENDS TO ME THEY LIVE ABOUT A BLOCK OVER THAT WAY AND YOU RE THE FIRST PEOPLE I MET IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, I DON T EVEN KNOW WHAT DEMONATION YOU ARE, BUT YOU LEFT A LITTLE BROCHURE AGAIN. UM: YOU RE RIGHT. TO GO TO CHURCH, YOU KNOW. THEY, UH, THEY, JUST YOU KNOW THEY RE JUST, THEY CAME OVER AND JUST WERE WELCOMED. SO IT S REALLY BEEN GOOD, THE NEIGHBOR S ARE GOOD. THEY RE GOING TO BRING THEIR KIDS TO THE PARTY TOMORROW AND SO ARE OTHER PEOPLE AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE FROM THE WARD HERE, ARE COMING TOO, WILL BE EITHER TOMORROW OR SUNDAY I M NOT SURE. PROBABLY TOMORROW (INAUDIBLE). (INAUDIBLE TALK) (INAUDIBLE) I DON T THINK HE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO ESCAPE THIS (INAUDIBLE). ESCAPE WHAT? IT S PRETTY OBVIOUS. TO WHO? WHAT S OBVIOUS. WHAT HE S DONE. EXCUSE ME? IT S NOT OBVIOUS TO ME MAY BE OBVIOUS TO YOU. BUT YOU MIGHT BE IMAGING THINGS, JENNY. YOU ALWAYS HAD A HARD TIME WITH REALITY. THAT S A REALITY IN YOUR CASE. IX.03.000023
14 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 I DON T KNOW WHAT YOU RE TALKING HARD TIME WITH MY REALITY. YEAH, YOU, YOU, YOU NEED TO FACE REALITY. OKAY. AND STOP BEING THE WRONG. FACE REALITY, OKAY, LET S SEE, JOSHUA S CAMPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND SUSAN S GONE NOW. HM, THAT DOESN T SOUND LIKE REALITY, UNLESS YOU DID SOMETHING. YEAH, ANYWAY, WHY DON T YOU, I THINK, I THINK, IT S TIME, UH, TO GO I THINK IT S TIME TO GO. I THINK YOU VE KIND OF WORN OUT YOUR WELCOME. YOU ARE, YOU ARE A GOD DAMN FUCKING BITCH IS WHAT YOU ARE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BROTHER AND MY SON THAT WAY AND MAKE THINGS UP. YOU RE GOING TO CALL YOUR DAUGHTER THAT? YOU RE THE ONE WHO SAID SHE WAS, SHE WAS ALREADY D-E-A-D. YOU RE THE ONE, YOU RE THE ONE, YOU RE GOING AROUND WITH THESE MORBID IDEAS. (INAUDIBLE). NO, JUST, JUST YOU RE NOT EVEN WELCOME HERE ANYMORE. GREAT. (INAUDIBLE) YOU INSULT ME, YOU GUYS WERE (INAUDIBLE). YOU CAME OVER TO JOSH S PLACE THE OTHER NIGHT, WANTED HER CLOTHING TO CUT IT UP INTO TENTATIVE QUILT SQUARES? BITCHING ABOUT IT. (INAUDIBLE) SHE IS DEAD ALREADY? I SAID IN THE CASE OF, I DIDN T SAY TOMORROW, I SAID MONTH S DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT EVER YOU DID, IT WAS MORBID. YEAH, IT WAS MORBID TO HAVE THE KIDS HAVE A MEMENTO OF THEIR MOTHER. YOU THINK THAT S MORBID? IX.03.000024
15 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 (INAUDIBLE CHATTER) YEAH AFTER WE DECIDED THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION. YEAH RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO RESOLUTION, MAYBE IN A YEAR OR TWO. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND THAT S WHAT I TELL JOSH AND HE FREAKS OUT. WHAT KIND OF A REACTION IS THAT? YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHATEVER YOU SAID OBVIOUSLY MADE IT SOUND MORE LIKE TOMORROW. YEAH I WOULD FREAK OUT TO, BECAUSE YOU RE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU THINK SHE S (WHISPERS) DEAD. WELL YEAH. I D FREAK OUT TOO. STEVE. YEAH. IT S BEEN A MONTH AND A HALF AND THERE S ONLY TWO SCENARIOS. HEY YOU KNOW WHAT JENNY S THE ONE WHO SAID THIS THING ABOUT THE ELIZABETH SMART THING. SHE SAID THAT DAYS AFTER IT HAPPENED, SO. SHE S KIDNAPPED RIGHT AND, AND SOMEWHERE OUT THERE MAYBE SHE S ALIVE. RIGHT. BUT AFTER A MONTH AND HALF AN ADULT FEMALE ODDS ARE LIKE ZERO, OR SHE S DEAD. THOSE ARE THE TWO SCENARIOS. HEY, WE RE ASSUMING SHE S KIDNAPPED KIRK. OKAY, SO THEN WHO DID IT, THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON ON THIS PLANET THAT WOULD WANT TO DO THAT. UM, YEAH THAT S CALLED SAM PETERSON. WHATEVER. SAM S A PSYCHO JERK, BUT. EXACTLY. IX.03.000025
16 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 EXACTLY. UH, BUT HE HAD NO MOTIVATION TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR THE CAPABILITY? OH YEAH. YOU GUYS DON T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SAM PETERSON. YOU DON T THINK SO HE, YOU DON T THINK SO, HE HAS A TRAVELING JOB, HE S A PSYCHOPATH AND HE WAS APPARENTLY INTO SPENDING SOME TIME WITH SUSAN. I DO. THE POLICE ARE LOOKING PRETTY CLOSELY AT HIM. SUSAN NEVER TALKED ABOUT HIM. SHE DIDN T, SHE DIDN T? NO. NOT TO, NOT TO YOU. MAYBE NOT TO YOU. DO YOU THINK I EVER TALK TO YOU ABOUT ANYTHING PERSONAL ABOUT ME, NO? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT SHE TOLD MICHAEL THREE WEEKS BEFORE SHE DISAPPEARED? BULL CRAP. MIKE TOLD ME AND SUDDENLY HE COMES UP WITH THAT? THAT S WHAT, WHATEVER, WHATEVER. I DON T CARE WHAT MIKE, WHAT MIKE S FEELING. YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH REALITY, SO ANYTHING YOU TELL ME IS BULL CRAP, OKAY JENNY. IT SERIOUSLY IS. THAT S NICE YOU RE MY FATHER. IS THAT RIGHT? WHY WOULD JOSH (INAUDIBLE) AROUND CLEANING THE HOUSE TUESDAY MORNING? I M NOT, I M NOT, I M NOT QUESTIONING REALITY THEN. WHEN EVERYBODY IS SITTING THERE (INAUDIBLE). NO, NOBODY HAS DONE ANYTHING. BREAKING HIS WINDOWS AND STUFF. NO. IX.03.000026
17 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 UG: WHAT WINDOW GOT BROKEN? HE DID NOT CLEAN THE GLASS UP, HE DID NOT CLEAN THE GLASS UP. TELL ME WHAT HE WAS CLEANING UP? HE ASSIGNED ME TO CLEAN THE GLASS UP. UH-HUH, WELL. YEAH, HE WAS RUNNING AROUND OUTSIDE IN THE GARAGE CLEANING STUFF. HE WAS THROWING SOME TOWELS (INAUDIBLE). HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE TERM BUSY WORK. DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO SIT ON YOUR ASS AND DO NOTHING WHEN THERE IS ABSOLUTE HORRIBLE, HORRIFIC FUCKING NEWS? YEAH I DO. AND YOU FEEL YOUR HEART IS BREAKING. THE LAST MONTH HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT PAIN. YEAH AND YOU SAT THERE AND CREATED A WALL THE WHOLE TIME. YEAH. HE IS DIFFERENT FROM YOU, HE WORKS THROUGH HIS PAIN. THAT S EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. HE IS DIFFERENT THAN YOU. DID YOU HEAR, DID YOU HEAR HER SAY. THAT IS WHY HE IS GOING AROUND WORKING. SHE SAID THAT I HATED SUSAN. YEAH EVER SINCE SHE, YOU MADE A PASS AT HER. OH, THAT S THE FUNNIEST THING IN THE WORLD. AND SHE TURNED YOU DOWN. (INAUDIBLE). THAT S WHAT SHE TOLD YOU? ABSOLUTELY. SHE TOLD YOU THAT? OH YES. HOLD ON HOLD ON, CUZ SHE S A LYING BITCH, IF SHE SAID THAT. OH, SO YOU RE SAYING SUSAN S A LYING BITCH NOW? IX.03.000027
18 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. APPARENTLY. APPARENTLY SHE IS. SHE DIDN T, NO, SHE DIDN T TELL YOU THE WHOLE STORY BUT I M NOT GOING TO TELL IT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU. WHY IS THAT BAD? YOU GUYS WON T, YOU RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT ANYWAYS, AND I WON T, HEY. YOU KNOW WHAT, WHATEVER SHE LIED TO YOU THAT S FINE. SHE LIED TO YOU THAT S FINE. YOU RE PROBABLY RIGHT, YOU RE PROBABLY RIGHT. WE PROBABLY WOULDN T BELIEVE IT YOU WOULDN T BELIEVE IT, YEAH, YEAH. THE FACT IS HE HAS ALWAYS SPOKEN HIGHLY OF HER, HE HAS BOUGHT HER BIRTHDAY PRESENTS EVERY YEAR, HE BOUGHT HER CHRISTMAS GIFTS EVER YEAR. WELL SURE. TRYING TO BUY HER BACK. YOU KNOW, JUST GET OFF MY PORCH, JUST GET OFF MY PORCH. (INAUDIBLE CHATTER). YOU KNOW, NOW I M EJECTING YOU OUT OF MY FAMILY I VE JUST GIVEN UP ON YOU JENNY. THAT S FINE. SO, PLEASE DON T EVEN BOTHER, YOU KNOW, DON T EVEN BOTHER COMING BACK. YOU KNOW, I M SORRY, BUT, YEARS AGO I FORGAVE YOU OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE A (INAUDIBLE). EVERYTHING HE DID TO MOM. (INAUDIBLE) SO DO I. HOW ABOUT EVERYTHING MOM DID TO HIM. WHAT? I LIVED IN THAT HOUSE. IX.03.000028
19 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 OH YEAH. I KNOW HALF THE STORIES. (INAUDIBLE). YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING, YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING SHE HAD TOO SAY. SHE TOLD, SHE TOLD HER GRANDPARENT S THAT I WAS UNFAITHFUL TO HER, GUESS WHAT, THEY DIDN T BELIEVE HER. OKAY. DID YOU KNOW THAT? OKAY. GRANDMA AND GRANDPA HOFFINE (SIC) SAID THAT S JOHN (INAUDIBLE). HER RELATIVES DOWN THERE KNEW SHE WASN T TELLING THE TRUTH. READ THE DIVORCE PAPERS, KIRK. THE ONLY THING SHE DIVORCED ME FOR WAS FOR THE GODDAMN MORMON RELIGION BECAUSE I DON T BELIEVE IN THAT BULLSHIT ANYMORE SHE DECIDED SHE HAD TO SAVE THE KIDS FROM ME. AND THAT IS WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. READ THE DIVORCE PAPERS, KIRK. READ EM. HOW ABOUT IF I GO BACK AND READ THE ENTIRE DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS. READ EM. ALL THE COURT DOCUMENTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THEM. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO FIND, READ THEM ALL, YOU RE GOING TO FIND OUT IT WAS ALL ABOUT RELIGION. WELL HOW ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE (INAUDIBLE). WELL NOT EVEN THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THAT S NOT THE IN THE DI-, YOU WON T FIND THAT BECAUSE IT DIDN T HAPPEN. IT DOESN T MATTER. SHE DIDN T WRITE IT IN THERE. IT DOESN T MATTER. BECAUSE IF IT HAPPENED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PAPERS, I GUARANTEE. IX.03.000029
564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 20 OH, OKAY. SO WHEN YOU DON T WRITE IT IN, IT S NOT, IT S (INAUDIBLE) NO, THE REASON SHE SAID I WAS UNFAITHFUL WAS BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT ADMIT TO GRANDMA AND GRANDPA HOFFINE AND HER RELATIVES DOWN THERE THAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE MORMON RELIGION. THE KIDS. WHAT. THE DIVORCE. WHATEVER. BECAUSE THERE WAS NO REASON FOR OUR DIVORCE OTHER THAN THE GOD DAMN MORMON RELIGION. NOW THAT S THE ONLY THING, THE GOD DAMN MORMON RELIGION THAT CAME IN BETWEEN US. WHATEVER. YOU ARE SO FULL OF CRAP. THAT S EXACTLY. READ THE. DID YOU FORGET JENNY WAS ACTUALLY THERE THROUGH IT ALL? NO. YOU RE SO FULL OF CRAP. NO IT S YOU. I M FULL OF WHAT? YOU, YOU. YOU WERE 8 YEARS OLD JENNY WAS 18 AT THE TIME. NO I WAS SEVEN WHEN IT STARTED. SO WHAT? YOU DON T REMEMBER BEING ON THE PHONE, LOCKED IN THE CLOSET NO. IN FACT YOU CAN GET THE JEST (INAUDIBLE) SO, SO, SO I WAS, SO WHEN YOU WERE OLD ENOUGH I WAS OUT FUCKING SOMEBODY SO I WAS UNFAITHFUL TO YOUR MOTHER? LISTEN IF IT WAS I D ADMIT BECAUSE I, I CAN THINK OF SEVERAL REASONS I SHOULD HAVE BEEN. BECAUSE SHE WAS ACCUSING ME OF IT. IT WASN T EVEN THAT IT WAS THE WAY YOU TREATED HER. IT WAS IX.03.000030
594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 21 EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WENT ON DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. YEAH. IT WAS THE WAY YOU TREATED HER. I WATCHED THE WAY YOU TREATED HER WHEN I WAS IN THE PICTURE. I, I, THERE S NOB-, THERE S NO WAY I WOULD HAVE PUT UP WITH THAT. HOW? TELL ME, TELL ME HOW WAS IT KIRK? YOU KNOW WHAT HE TREATED (INAUDIBLE). JUST TELL ME WHAT IT WAS? NO, NO, NO ABSOLUTELY NOT. JUST TELL ME WHAT IT WAS. ABSOLUTELY NOT. TELL ME WHAT IT WAS. I LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHEN I FIRST MET JENNY SHE TOLD ME ALL ABOUT HER DAD. AND I THOUGHT YOU KNOW WHAT I M OPEN MINDED, I VE NEVER MET THIS GUY WHATEVER. THEN THE FIRST TIME WE MET, LIKE, I HAD AN OPTION, HE HAD REJECTED THE CHURCH, HE HAD REJECTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE. SO WHAT, YOU DIDN T (INAUDIBLE). AT THE RECEPTION. YEAH, YEAH. HE DIDN T GET AN INVITATION OR HE LOST IT. YEAH, WE RE LEAVING. YEAH GOOD. BYE. IX.03.000031