Remote Property Flipping Podcast Introduction to the Remote Property Flipping Podcast Hosted by: Joe McCall and Tom Wade Intro: This is the Remote Property Flipping Podcast with your hosts, Joe McCall and Tom Wade, two of the world s most sort after experts on remote property flipping and virtual wholesaling. So if you are interested in learning how to make an incredible living flipping properties from a beach in Spain or a café in Prague with only a laptop and a mobile phone without using any of your own money or credit, then you are in the right place. For more information on how you can personally work with either Joe or Tom and how you can create your own location independent business through remote property flipping, make sure you go to RemotePropertyFlipping.com right now. Hey everybody, welcome. This is the Remote Property Flipping Podcast. I am Joe McCall and I'm with Tom Wade. How are you, Tom? Fantastic! How are you doing, Joe? Awesome. I'm excited about this because this is our first episode, isn't it? Yeah, first episode. I mean, I m really looking forward to it. Yeah, man. We've been talking about this for a long time. This is a podcast about flipping properties remotely from anywhere in the world. And I have a podcast, Real Estate Investing Mastery, that we've been doing for four years now. And this is going to be... We've got a lot of things we want to talk about. And I don t even know where to start, Tom. But on this first episode though, we want to just introduce ourselves to you guys, let you know who we are and kind of talk about what the show is going to be about. This is a very unique podcast. There's not another podcast out there like this. And Tom is a good friend of mine that is flipping deals in England while travelling around the world. And I am actually in Prague right now flipping deals in the United States. And it's a great business. It s a great time to be in the market. And Tom, welcome to the first episode of Remote Property Flipping. Thanks, Joe. Well, look, it's incredible we're actually doing this, like I remember speaking about this a while ago now and it's completely different.
And the call of what it is and what we want to teach you guys is what remote property flipping is. Uh-huh. Basically, the essence of it is how anyone from all walks of life, from stay-athome moms to kids just leaving college to the elderly in the 60s, 70s or anyone can flip properties remotely without using any credit, without using any of their own money and having any experience. Essentially, we're just controlling property. I know in the podcast you're doing with... Alex? With Alex, yeah. It's teaching people in the US how to do this, but what we are doing here is actually teaching people in the UK how to flip properties while traveling. Or if you don t want to travel around the world, what we will be fortunate enough to do is you can still do this at home. But the missing link and the key of what we want to teach you guys here... Like I said, we'll just chop it. This is raw and we're going to give you just valuable information that we're actually doing right now. But the core of this is how you can do this business without actually meeting the sellers or the buyers. Yeah. Well, and this is cool Tom because I've been flipping properties remotely. In the United States, we call it virtual wholesaling. And I think a better term in Europe would be remote property flipping. But it's something that we've been doing for a long time in the United States where we can wholesale properties in the United States without seeing the property, without really even meeting the seller or looking at the house. We've been doing that for a long time but it's a relatively new concept in England and you really, Tom, are the pioneer, aren t you to this whole concept? Yeah. Well, talking about what you said in my journey when I started in this business that I ran about four years ago. And I learned from you guys in the US. I was learning... I was in the UK. My story was I was working at GNC working a 9-to-5 job making under 1,000 a month, maybe even less. I think, it's 750 a month or something like that. And I knew, and I d dropped out of college earlier. And so I knew for me, I had to start my own business but I didn t have that lane or vehicle to go down. And when I found out about virtual property and being able to do this from anywhere in the world, and to be honest, I'm not that. I don t enjoy meeting sellers if I'm being honest. That s not what I enjoy.
I prefer to transact deals from home without meeting anyone. So I can be with my family or I can travel like what I've been doing a lot. And that s my That s freedom to me. So taking back to what you said, you got into doing that for four, five, six years, teaching people loads of stuff like teaching how to flip deals in the US virtually, remotely without actually meeting the sellers. But in the UK, that was not heard of. So what I did is I... kind of how I do in my own back garden, in my own backyard here in the UK without actually meeting the sellers. And for the last four five years now I've just been doing it, doing deals while traveling around Europe. And I've been teaching it for the last few years as well. And it's just incredible. I just can t really speak enough about it. I love it. There s no business like it in the world. Yeah, and I think that s the main theme of this podcast. It's going to be freedom, isn t it. It's going to be, I like to call it, lifestyle business or location independence, the virtual freedom that you can have in this business, where you can source properties, and we are going to be using American terms and English terms interchangeably. So hopefully we don t confuse everybody. But in the United States we call it wholesaling or virtual wholesaling. In England you call it... Remote property flipping. Remote property flipping, but you also call it sourcing, right? Sourcing properties? Yeah, essentially sourcing properties and deal packaging and deals. So for example, I sourced a deal. It s worth a hundred thousand pounds. I source a deal at 80,000 and I sell that deal on 85,000. And I'm essentially just controlling that property with a contract and then just flipping that deal and that deal on. And that s obviously the term of the podcast, remote property flipping. So the first bit, is remote. And that s the differential between the majority out there because they teach you how to... look Joe, we all work hard. Everyone works hard. Everyone does work hard, but isn't it time we worked smarter and we didn t have to actually be... you can only drive around to meet so many sellers.
And when I found It was an aha moment when I realized that I could do this business from home and be able to jump on Skype like what we are doing now, to be able to jump on Skype and record this, and to be able to actually jump on it just on internet connection and be able to do this deals. And coming back to what you said about the lifestyle, what we want to bring here is I know is still going everywhere. But why do that, because I'm so passionate about it. But one of the most important thing is it's not just about having another job. It's about having a business that revolves around your lifestyle. So your lifestyle comes first. And you create that business around what your vision is. So that might be, I want to spend more time with my kids and have a few actual vacations a year. Well that s your vision and that s how you... You want a business that fits into this. And there's no other business from my experience that actually fits into it apart from remote property flipping and other businesses out there, but it's one of a kind. But I mean Joe in terms of You are in Prague right now, right? Yeah we are in Prague and we interviewed you on our podcast Tom a couple of three months ago. And it was exciting to hear from you, your perspective on how you are flipping properties remotely while you travel around the world and you do quite a bit of travelling. I have a wife and a family. We have four kids. We are actually in Prague right now for about three months. And we are wholesaling deals in United States. And so we started talking and said, Let s do a podcast about this stuff; let s call it Remote Property Flipping. And let s have a podcast where the emphasis is on lifestyle and freedom and being able to travel the world while you are wholesaling properties or sourcing properties from anywhere in the world. You know my main focus is on the United States, and yours is on England. I think this podcast will appeal to a lot of people all over the world. I think especially to people in England and also in Europe who want to learn this business and learn how to flip properties remotely. Exactly. What you said, Joe, at the start when you interviewed me on the podcast and the way I started was and I did flip a deal in the U.S. My first deal, my first ever property deal I d done, I was in England and I flipped in Memphis, Tennessee. And I know the possibilities how you can actually access the entire world and especially the US to start flipping deals even if you are listening in Spain now. Or you are in the Netherlands or you are in
Canada or wherever you are in the world and you are interested in actually learning to do these deals. Or maybe you can t do it on your own country, but you feel, Oh my god I really want to get into this, but I feel stuck because everyone keeps telling me I have to go meet the seller, I have to go to negotiate the house. But what if there was a way to be able to do that without having to meet the sellers and there is. And we come on to another episode about the sales and so on and going deeper into that. But then that s what this podcast is going to be about. And it's going to be about how to really design a vision for your life first. You know, what do you want to do? Do you want to travel? Do you want to spend more time out with your family? Do you want to take more vacations and holidays? And then design a business around that, design a business that meets your lifestyle. Most of us have it backwards, we have our business, we have our job, and then that s the center of our life. Then we try to fit life in around that. Well let s turn it on its head, you know, what we don t have to wait till we re 60/70 years old before we retire and travel the world, so then we can finally have some leisure time and some fun. Let s do it now and you don t need to... You don t need to have a million dollars or a million Euros, or pounds in the bank to do that. Yeah, I always say Joe that s really well said actually I completely resonate with that, because when I... A lot of people think I need to have all these deals, a massive portfolio, and I need to have a million pounds, Euros, or dollars in the bank. No you don t, because an average deal if you just make... I always say to my clients, I say, What if you ve just done two deals a month, or one or two deals a month for say 6,000 pounds or $10,000 how would that change your life right now if you had that? Genuinely like if that coming in to your account right now and this is more than possible, it s so much... It s 100% possible if you learn the strategies, you learn the marketing that we always talk about Joe, the marketing and sales. If you learn this and you have a real passion for which I believe you have to love it, you have to really-really enjoy what you do. You can a six figure business out of that while retiring. So how does that...? Just a quick question to you, Joe. Since you started, when you were working... If you just tell us your story a little bit for some
people that don t know you on how you actually started, and how it changed your life, your family, and your income and the most important thing is your lifestyle? Yeah, yeah well let s do this I ll introduce myself, kind of tell my story and then you introduce yourself and your story. And I want everybody to know too that throughout the first... we don t know yet how this is all going to work out. Our goal is to do... keep these podcasts down to about 30 minutes each, and release one or two a week. But our goal with the first 20 or so podcasts is just going to be to teach everybody how to do this stuff. We re not going to be holding anything back, we re going to be open... could be completely open about how we do this in our business and teach everybody listening how they can do this as well for themselves. But my story is I was... I went to Iowa State University in Iowa, I don t know if anybody knows where Iowa is, but it s right in the middle of United States. I was born and raised in Southern California, and moved to Iowa when I was in high school. But I ve always been kind of systems oriented, I ve always liked science and engineering and I went to Iowa state university to get a degree in engineering, and started working for large corporations. I worked for about two or three different large corporations. And I really got tired of the... just being a number on a badge that clocks in and out, and I got tired of working for a company that... it was such a big company that I... it didn t feel like I was contributing enough or no matter how hard I worked I got paid the same every single month. And then if I was lucky I got a raise and I got good performance reviews, but I d get a raise that really just kept up with inflation. And to get promoted or to get significant raises you had to go to a new company sometimes. Anyway I worked in the corporate world, climbed the corporate ladder a little bit for about nine years. And that was another thing that was really discouraging to me because I would see the managers that I had to... if I wanted to climb the corporate ladder I would watch very closely who the managers were that, if I were going to stay in that business who I would have to be. And it was depressing to see these guys working harder than anybody with all of the pressure and the stress that they had. Yeah, they re making more money, but if you look at their hourly wage it was probably close to what I was making.
And their stress level was terrible Oh yeah, and I said, I don t want that, that s insane. And it s only like a small one percent of them that maybe even go on beyond that, a lot of those middle managers are stuck there of the rest of their lives. So it was depressing to me and I was like, you know I just don t want that for me, for my family. I want the freedom to be able to call my own shots, to run my own business, and to live anywhere in the world that we want to. So in 2006 I started buying real estate, I stated buying properties back when it was easy to get mortgages, and I bought about 12 or 13 properties. Within about a one year s time frame... and back then in the United States, I'm sure it was similar in Europe, but we were really... a lot of people were buying properties wrongly. We were not buying then based on fundamentals. If it cash flow $100 or $200 I was fine with that, I was counting on appreciation, I was expecting property prices to always be going up because they never went down. So I made a lot of really bad mistakes. And then I started right when the market was at the peak I bought a couple really large properties to rehab, and I could not have bought those at a worse time. So the market crashed, and that was about 2007/2008 and it was really a difficult time for me, very, very difficult and stressful. We almost came to complete financial ruin, it was stressful on my marriage, it was stressful with my kids, I was not a good dad, and I was still working a full-time job. And it was very, very difficult for me and through that whole process I started realizing the importance of cash flow. And I thought I had equity and I kind of did until the market crashed right, but you can t eat equities as they say equities, you get it. So you can t eat equity, you can only eat cash flow. And I started thinking about how cash flow is important, and my impression at the time was that I just needed to buy a bunch of properties that cash flowed $100, $200 a month and you know by the time I have 100 of them I d be doing fine. But not realizing that that $100, $200 a month in cash flow quickly evaporates into vacancies, and repairs, and stuff like that. So I knew I had to learn wholesaling or property sourcing. I had to learn a way to make quick cash, and so this was in 2009 and I really wanted to quit my job. I remember I was working on a large power plant with an electrical contractor doing their scheduling. I started thinking about wholesaling and I said I'm going to learn this business called wholesaling. I'm going to learn how to quick flip properties. And I bought a couple of courses; I'm a big believer in education.
And I said, I'm just going to do what these guys say. In fact one of the first courses I bought was Chris Chico s course called Virtual Wholesaling. Yeah I bought that one as well. Yeah, yeah this was 2008/2009 and this was kind of when virtual wholesaling became really popular in the United States. It was kind of a new concept back then. How you can actually flip properties without seeing the house, without really meeting the sellers, just doing everything over the phone and with an internet connection. So I started doing that in my own back yard in St. Louis, and about that time as well I started wholesaling lease options. I started tying properties up as a lease option, and instead of selling that contract to an investor I was selling those contracts to tenant buyers. And I started flipping lease options, and then within about three months, four months of doing that my part-time income wholesaling lease options surpassed my fulltime income on my job. And how much... good question Joe, how much were you making at your job? At the time I was making about $75,000 a year, and so that would be what six or seven thousand a month right. It s about $6,200 a month, and then if you add on benefits I was making about 7,000 a month, but I was I was making I see that s amazing, but how did you feel about it? Like in terms of going, yeah working, how did that change, how did that... how was the breakthrough, what did you... what did that do for you? I felt so empowered that, you know what I can control my own destiny. I could... if I can make seven, ten thousand dollars a month part-time, how much could I make full time if I devoted more time to it? And I knew I could do it consistently, because I didn't want to quit my job after just doing a few deals. I wanted to have a proven track record to show that I could do it consistently over two or three months. So I did and my wife was actually really supportive, she could see the results and knew that I could do this. That s amazing. That s when I left my job and I could talk for a long time about all of that, but since then I have been wholesaling ever since. I love wholesaling because I'd rather make a quick nickel than a slow dime. Nothing wrong with the slow dimes and what I mean by that is by rehabbing houses or fixing and flipping,
holding... yeah, buying and holding rental properties and stuff. Those are great ways to make large profits or build your long term wealth. But I think it's important for every investor to understand wholesaling, to know how to find good deals and then be able to cherry pick, you'll keep the good ones and wholesale the ones you don t want. So that s what my passion has been over the last four or five years, I'm still doing deals, but I really love coaching and teaching people, we started the podcast Real Estate Investing Mastery back in 2011. And I just really love this concept of finding freedom through real estate and learning... teaching people how to flip properties from anywhere in the world with just a laptop and it can be done. And that s why... that's how we connected and which is... you have an awesome story as well, why don't you tell us... tell everybody listening Tom your story, how you kind of got started in the business? That s amazing yeah, that s a great story Joe, it s going to be hard to beat your story. Oh, that s fantastic, as a hint on the deep level, my story is quite different. My story was, I dropped out of college at 16, I didn t have any real qualifications, because I never... the tradition with education was never for me. I always felt something... they just didn t fit well, it didn t fit right with me. I'm sure as people listening, can resonate with that. And I knew I had more in me to give. And to go down the lane, I have been entrepreneur, that s where I went to, but I didn t know what it was yet, so I was still thinking is it possible, and questioning myself and doubting and so on. And when I went, early on when I was 16, I went through a lot of depression and so forth. Because I didn t think, because I bought in to the systems where you are saying you need to get nine to five job, and then hopefully you'll make 50 grand a year, and I think before then that just didn t fit right with me. I thought is that all there is, there must be something else out there. So I started working in a normal nine to five job and it was okay for first, but it started building up. I mean actually, well, I was just 21, I was somewhere in my 20s, now mid-20s. But when I was 21, I said I need to quit this job, and I was actually working in... you might have in the U.S. as well as sports nutrition shop, it s called GNC. And I was working there; I was making about $1,000 a month, 750 pounds or something.
It was just... I was working 20 hours a week. Yes, I liked it to a certain degree, but I didn t want to have a boss on my back. And I wanted some finales, I wanted to find... I was hungry, I was learning into that marketing, I was learning these loads of different ways to get out, but nothing felt right to me. And then one day, I was walking home, I was always talking to my friend when I was walking back to my parents house, because I was actually living with my parents at the time. And how old were you? I was 21. Okay. And I was saying there must be enough... there must be something else. And he was talking about the foreclosures in the US, in the states. And I said, it was interesting because he was saying, you can buy these really cheap and so on, and I was like okay well let me... I dint know anything. Literally my knowledge I knew nothing about real estate or property investing at all, I was a compete novice. But I went in with open mind because I always say if you are in... when it becomes a must, you'll do anything to do whatever it takes, and I was in that situation, I would absorb anything. So I carried on and I started studying this stuff online, I went on Trulia.com. I believe and started seeing, and as I started seeing these ads of no money down, how to control real estate without using any of your money, credit or having an experience and that s me. They were talking to me. And the gurus and so forth, and I like what you said about education, I really believe in education, really whole heartedly believe in getting a good mentor or program or books. So whatever age you choose but just learning this stuff, sitting down and learning this stuff. So I absorbed everything, I took everything in I could. And it resonates, well I can remember the exact time I was sitting at the chair in my dining room, we call it living room in the UK, I don t know how you guys call it. And I just said this is... every cell in my body it felt right, because I remember I said I will do this, I'm going to make... this is me, this is right to me like it was sent from whatever you want to call it, from God or whatever you want to call it. Literally that s how I felt like it was, it was meant for me, and it was really touching on the deep level, I'm really passionate about that, because it changed my life, it really did change my life. And when it came in, and I
started studying, I started absorbing and I started teaching this stuff... sorry learning this stuff. And I can remember I was so excited about it, I was telling it to my friends and my family and they just looked at me like I was crazy, literally like I was insane. And I told my boss and I said this is what I'm doing and they were like why are you reading these books? I was actually reading The 4 Hour Work Week, and I was going, how can I integrate The 4 Hour Work Week, lifestyle of being able to travel and being able to live like a millionaire making just say 5 grand a month, and how could I do that? And it really... and I was reading the book, I read it like hundreds of times, I have got notes still in the book over my goals and stuff... I had read it the other day anyway, and it was quite amazing just seeing that. Anyway so I told my boss and my boss was like... as he come up to me one day like right in my face and said, this will never ever work. This will never going to work for you, did this, he goes, I have tried my own businesses, if... you won't succeed, you're too young, you need to have experience, you need to have money, it s a scam, all of this stuff. And I just said, we ll have to wait and see, I just said we have to wait and see and that's it. So I learned... to make the long story short, I learned and learned, and like I said, I d done my first deal To be honest it wasn t just a week I had done the deal, I learned it every day, I scarified a lot to really learn this stuff. But when I broke through into my first deal in the U.S., I turned back and I said can I do this in the U.K., no one else is teaching it, I kind of started innovating it. And I quickly went from 750 per month to my first zero to four months, I made 40 grand, 40,000 in that first four months. So I made more, this is when it just clicked with me. When I had done my first deal, I said my notice was straight in, I quit and I just I notice it is straight in. And my boss... this is true story. He actually asked me, he said when it takes off for you, is there any management positions? Oh, wow. That s a true story, and I just said I won't You don t get it. No he doesn t understand You don t get it, well go ahead.
I won't have any of that, and I went to the coffee shop because I always loved working from coffee shops and so I ll be speaking about that a lot, in Starbucks and so on. But I went there with such a feeling of this is just literally... so empowered that I could do this. And it just taken off from there, the story as you, I'm still doing deals; I'm doing deals every month. But I said I need to teach this, I need to teach people this stuff, I have to. If I don t teach people this stuff I'm doing a disservice, because there's no one teaching this, and it s a pure lifestyle, myself personally I have never met a seller, personally at their house. And I have been doing about four to five deals a month ever since. And lasting for last three four years, so it's come up to four years now, and I have never actually seen the properties. And hence why I wanted to start coaching people this stuff, and that's why we want to deliver for free this podcast, isn t it Joe? Yeah, you say, you really articulated it well Tom, you do really-really good at that. And that s why I'm excited about this podcast is because; we both have a lot of passion about this business. And one of the reasons why I like to teach it is because I actually learn more when I teach. When I coach people and work with people from all over the world, I learn a ton of things from them that help me in my own business. And also then allow me to help other people as well. So even though we are giving away a lot in this podcast, we are going to be learning a lot from you guys as we interact with you, as we talk with you, as we get feedback. One of the things I was thinking about while you were talking was don t ever take business advice from broke people. Yeah, oh my God, all my life it s so true and always... the thing with me, because a lot of people, I speak to a lot of people there's that can either make or break someone. When someone says you can't do it, it can either break someone or make someone. And for me it made me because I always said, observe the masses and do the opposite. Everyone is doing the same thing and do you know... what's his name? The... he is a famous investor, the famous Warren Buffet? Yeah, Warren Buffet is be greedy, do you know that quote? I always said it wrong, he said be greedy when people are fearful, and fearful when people are greedy, and it s the same thing. It's exactly the same thing as observe the masses and do the opposite. Coming back to you, you said about taking
advice because everyone around me, I'm blessed I mean my parents have been very supportive, but at the time they didn t understand it, they didn t understand. And I just said it will work, trust me, I swear to you it will work, and now I'm in a position, like I said talking about travelling, and I'm going off the [inaudible 00:29:36] but talking about traveling, I just come back from... I was living... I'm in London right now, and I'm actually leaving for Barcelona Friday. And I go to Barcelona on Friday, and then I'm off to Hawaii to spend a surf for my birthday. And then I'm actually flying down to Texas to spend a few months in Texas for a few months. And that is just something that is Well, we need to talk about that because you are going to Texas at the hottest months of the year. But that s okay; you are from England, right? Yeah, I can handle it I believe, I went there though because I was in Texas not long ago I went to the US. I spent about three, four weeks in Texas, and all my life there it was very-very hot, but I love this. And we are still doing deals out there, and that s the beauty. And like I said that s the difference I think Joe that we want to do this podcast together is... for me I don t have a family right now. And I think our personalities they kind of gel, we are in different locations, I know Joe we said we can also do videos alongside it in the next of three or four episodes or something like that. Well, yeah, let's talk about that because our future episodes, we are mapping this out right now and trying to plant it all out. But future episodes are going to be very educational. Very step by step, break it down to the most basic levels, and we are going to be teaching you how to do deals from beginning to end with just your laptop while you are traveling the world, or whether you are working at home, or working at Starbucks. Even when I'm back home in Saint Louis, I have really three offices, the office in my home. I have an office where I rent, with some other investing friends and that's where my assistants work. And then I mainly work at Starbucks, I have an office in Starbucks. Good saying it... Also I called, Joe, here. I ll be going down to Starbucks and doing some work from there. It's exactly that, and yeah and Well here in Prague, we are travelling right now; well we are planning a trip to travel to Italy. We are going to be here for another couple of months, go back to Saint Louis. Last summer we did a three month RV trip, we have a camper RV that we hold with us around the North Western quarter of United
States. We went to about 11 or 12 different national parks, did a lot of camping. And I worked from... while we were travelling, so it's kind of like a working vacation. Literally though, Tom, just working about two or three hours a day on average max, sometimes I couldn't work it all, because I couldn't even get cell phone coverage where we were, in some places. But I had the team in place to wholesale deals. One month on that trip I wholesaled seven deals in three different markets in the United States. And so we are not saying this to brag or to tell you how awesome we are, we are just telling this to show you and maybe encourage you a little bit, that you can do this too. It s possible. And that s what this podcast is going to be about. It's going to be about how you can flip properties remotely in your own backyard, whether you are travelling around the world. But don t feel like you have to conform to what the world tells you that you have to do or who you have to be. You can have a virtual business, you can have this kind of location independence and freedom to run this business and make fantastic money doing what you love to do. Yeah, 100%, I just want to start off tell the guys who are listening that you are listening to this podcast and hearing us doing deals and travelling and so forth. But overall the episodes we are going to break down the mechanics of how to actually from A to Z, and everything in between how to do the deals. And the core of the promote property flipping podcast is educational, but also to show the possibility that it's possible for you not just for us to take inspiration like I did. And I was listening to Joe four, five, years ago and now I'm doing a podcast with Joe. Hosting a podcast, so it's possible and I was completely in the other side of the world. And it's creating the opportunities and possibilities just being open to the fact that you can do this. And we break down, we do case studies and we show the mechanics, and like I said it's our passion to teach and we are going to learn a bunch from you guys as well as much as you are going to learn from us. So I'm really excited to start this trip and go on this journey. Yes, well, this is awesome now we are going to give away some really nice goodies, freebies on the website if you go to RemotePropertyFlipping.com.
We are still kind of working out the details as we are recording this. But Tom has a book what do you call it? The 12 The 15 Rules of Remote Property Flipping. Yes, thank you, The 15 Rules of Remote Property Flipping. Right now I have the book that I'm thinking I'm going to put on there; it's called Being Brilliant at the Basics. And it's about... kind of what are the most basic things in this business? I think... and we ll talk about this so much more, but it's important to keep this business simple, and then once you have a simple process, you create a system out that. And then you scale the system, so the three S s, I would like to call and maybe even four S s. Just keep it simple, stupid right? Case principle, so you keep it simple, you build a system around that, and then you scale it and that s what we are going to be focusing on in this, and that book 'Brilliant at the Basics' is about keeping, creating simple systems, and then scaling that up to another level so you can start doing this. 100% and just so the listeners know, my book The 15 Rules of Remote Property Flipping is for a UK audience, and Joe's book is for US, however they can both be integrated. Because they are both relevant, well, we've just used different terms such as Joe you call it in the US wholesaling, we call it sourcing or property flipping. And they call for example in the UK, we call doing out property, fixing them up refurbishments, in the US they call it fix and flip, and it's the same thing, it's all the exact the same thing. And because in the UK and the US systems they are the same isn t it. The nations and so forth, so I'm just excited to see people with growth just listening to this podcast and... Yeah, I mean this is great. It starts to be... doing it and sharing the knowledge because people need to hear this to be honest, Joe. I hear a lot... there's a lot of stuff out there that's It s mediocre, it s vanilla, it's not the chocolate or this strawberry, it's not the real stuff that people can listen to it. It's not the podcast episode and then within that month do a deal and make say 5 grand and they can and it s real, they can do that. Because I know, because I have listened to podcast episodes, taken the knowledge and done the deals. And you've done that Joe, I mean how much... in terms of how much training you've gone through and so forth, I mean you ve not just done it yourself, have you?
No I couldn t be where I'm today without coaches, without gurus that are teaching this stuff. So we are big believers in education, we are going to give away a ton of education on this podcast. And so for the first... We don t know yet, 15, 20 episodes or more, it's going to be a series, we are going to break up this whole process down, the whole system on how to wholesale deals. How to flip properties remotely and so this is... let's just wrap this up Tom, this is the introductory podcast hopefully, we didn t jump all over the place too much. Already. I'm just kind of jumping up and down, it's part of this, it's still right now because this is such an exciting venture for us and we are excited to share this stuff. So guys, go to RemotePropertyFlipping.com, check out those free books that we have there. We might even throw in some videos and some audio trainings and things like that. But go to RemotePropertyFlipping.com, there'll be a little place there you can put your name and your email address. And you'll also be notified of new episodes as they are released, if you join our mailing list. And you are in for a wild ride, this is going to be a lot of fun, Tom we ll talk soon, okay? Outro: Yeah, bye guys, talk soon. See you. Thanks for tuning in to the Remote Property Flipping Podcast. If you like the show please visit itunes, subscribe and leave a review, we would really appreciate it. Visit our website at RemotePropertyFlipping.com for detailed show notes, and transcriptions, free books, videos, resources and more. And finally if you would like to learn more about how you can possibly work with either Tom or Joe, and create your own remote property flipping business, visit RemotePropertyFlipping.com.