U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO & FIREARMS

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO & FIREARMS 0

0 TAPE #0 // JIM: Sita? SITA: Yes. Here's Mark. Hold on a minute. I'm sorry. SITA: Hello? JIM: Yeah, hey, I'm still here. Here, talk to Mark. SITA: Mark? MARK: Yeah. SITA: How you doing, boy? MARK: Fine. SITA: Did they treat you pretty good? MARK: Yeah. SITA: Wait. Dave, do you want to talk to Mark? Wait, okay? MARK: All right. SITA: Dad's here. DAVE: Hello. MARK: Hello. DAVE: Hello, Mark. MARK: Hi. DAVE: How you doing, buddy?

0 MARK: Fine. DAVE: That's good. Did you do everything they told you to do, like I told you? MARK: Yeah. DAVE: You okay? MARK: Yeah. DAVE: Okay. MARK: I'm with Jim, Jim. DAVE: You're with who? MARK: Jim. DAVE: Jim. Oh. Yeah, I've heard a lot about Jim. MARK: Fine. DAVE: Are all the kids there? Huh? Are all the kids there? MARK: I don't know. DAVE: Oh. MARK: The agents treated us real good. DAVE: They did? MARK: Yeah. Yeah. And they gave me a soda and a candy bar. DAVE: That's good. MARK: And a ride in that, that tank, that tank thing. DAVE: Yeah.

0 MARK: It was, it was neat but it was bumpy. JIM: I'll work on that for you, Dave. DAVE: Pardon? MARK: He said he'll work on that. DAVE: Oh. MARK: He said he'll try to work on that with the bumpy ride. DAVE: Well, just remember, son, that God sits on a throne and his word is his word and do the best of your ability. MARK: Okay. Can I talk to Sita? DAVE: And do what you're told. Hey -- MARK: Bye. DAVE: Hey, Sita. SITA: Hello. MARK: Hello. SITA: Hi, Mark. MARK: Hello. SITA: Are you okay? MARK: Yeah. SITA: They didn't treat you bad? MARK: No. They treated me good. SITA: Okay. What did they do to you? MARK: They, they put me in that tank and took me to -- down on the road where -- down in -- put

0 me in the van and brought me here. SITA: Is the kids over there? MARK: I'm with Jim. SITA: You're with Jim? MARK: Huh? SITA: So, you're okay, baby? MARK: Yeah. SITA: That's good. MARK: And they gave me a soda and a candy bar. SITA: Make sure don't eat pork now. No, it's Mark. He's with Jim right now. MARK: Jim said to come on out. SITA: Jim said to come out? We will. MARK: He said it's okay, come on out. Nobody is going to hurt anybody. SITA: Wait, just a minute. It's too much noise over here. Hey, Mark? MARK: Huh? SITA: I love you. You be good boy, okay? MARK: Okay. SITA: And if, if you see some of the kids, tell them I love them. MARK: Okay. SITA: Can you tell Jim is there anyway I

0 can talk to them? MARK: Who? SITA: Is there anyway I can talk to them to make sure they're all together? MARK: All right. Here's Jim. JIM: Sita? SITA: Yes. JIM: Okay. He's, he's fine. He's right here. And -- SITA: Yeah, he sounds fine. JIM: He's fine. The agents got him a soda and candy bar. He's doing great. SITA: And that's good. JIM: He's all smiles from riding in that tank he calls it. He said it was real bumpy but it was neat. SITA: Oh, they love playing those toys. JIM: Yeah. He said, he said he didn't think it would be that bumpy. SEDER: What do you mean, they're bumpy? I thought they were smooth. JIM: I guess it's cause of those tracks or something, you know. Tell David I said I cannot fix the bumpy ride. SITA: I guess it's the -- I don't know.

0 JIM: Those, those roller things, you know. SITA: Oh. JIM: He's all smiles. He looks great. SITA: How's the pups? JIM: You know, I didn't -- I don't think they brought them in this room. I don't seem them. So, I guess they're okay. They gave them to one of the animal officers. SITA: The animal officer? JIM: Yeah, to take care of. SITA: They just only a week old. JIM: Yeah, I know. They'll, they'll feed them and square them away. They'll take care of them. SITA: Yeah, I was surprised they were still alive. JIM: Okay. Well, listen, I really appreciate your helping us with Mark and everything. He just looks like somebody took the whole world off his shoulders. I think he was getting scared, you know. He look, he looks real good. SITA: That's good. JIM: So -- SITA: You want to talk to your brother? Her sister want to talk to him. JIM: Oh, wait -- is he -- did he leave?

0 Just for one second. Yeah, let him talk to his sister. Yeah, let him talk to his sister before he goes. Okay. Hey, Sita? Sita? Hello? HEATHER: Mark? JIM: What -- hold on, this is Jim. Who's this? Who's this? HEATHER: Heather. JIM: Heather. How old are you? HEATHER: Nine. JIM: Nine. Okay. Do you want to come out with Mark? Huh? HEATHER: I want to speak to Mark. JIM: Okay. Mark's right here. Come here, Mark, talk to Heather for a minute. MARK: Hello. HEATHER: Hi. MARK: Are you going to come? me? HEATHER: I don't know. MARK: Huh. How come you wanted to talk to HEATHER: Are you all right? MARK: Yeah. You there? HEATHER: Yes. Is it nice there? MARK: Yeah. HEATHER: Is it a, is it a house?

0 MARK: I don't -- not really. HEATHER: Not really. MARK: Yeah, it's kind of like an airport. HEATHER: Airport? Airport? MARK: I think it is an airport. I don't know. Bye. HEATHER: Bye. MARK: Come see me. HEATHER: Huh? MARK: Come see me when you can. HEATHER: Okay. MARK: Bye. HEATHER: -- wants to talk to you. JIM: Heather? HEATHER: What? JIM: Hello. Are you there? HEATHER: Yes. JIM: Okay. Do you -- when you want to come out, you tell your Daddy, okay? HEATHER: Okay. JIM: Is your Daddy there? HEATHER: Yes. JIM: Okay. Let me talk to him. HEATHER: Huh? JIM: Is your Daddy there?

0 0 HEATHER: Yeah. JIM: Let me talk to him. Is it -- what's your Daddy's name? Let me talk to him. HEATHER: Here he is. JIM: Okay. CYRUS: Hi, Mark. JIM: Who's this? CYRUS: Cyrus. JIM: Oh, Cyrus. All right. You can say hello. This is Jim. Hold on, Cyrus. MARK: Hello. CYRUS: How you doing? MARK: Fine. CYRUS: Is it nice over there? MARK: So far. I'm with Jim. CYRUS: What? MARK: I'm with Jim at the -- where he is. CYRUS: Are you -- MARK: Uh-huh. I'm at the airport. There's lots of planes out front, out back, or whatever. CYRUS: Can you see any taking off? MARK: What? CYRUS: Do you see any taking off? MARK: No. Cyrus, I went in a tank. CYRUS: Huh?

0 MARK: I went in a big old armored vehicle there that was at the gate. Did you see it? Did you see it, one of them big old tank like things? CYRUS: Yeah. Were you kind of nervous? MARK: No. It was bumpy. That was the only thing. Yeah, and the guys were nice, too. CYRUS: What? MARK: The guys were nice. CYRUS: The guy was nice? MARK: Yeah, the two guys that picked me up first. Come on out when you can, if you can. CYRUS: I think I can. MARK: All right. Bye. JIM: Hello? CYRUS: Hi. JIM: Who's this, Heather? CYRUS: Cyrus. JIM: Cyrus. Oh, this is Jim. You come out when you can. And, let's see, who else is around there? Is Dave -- CYRUS: Huh? JIM: Is, is -- who's there? Is David there? CYRUS: Yeah. JIM: Let me talk to him.

0 CYRUS: Okay. DAVID: Hello. JIM: Hey, David. DAVID: Hello. JIM: Mark's here. He's fine. DAVID: Okey-doke. JIM: And he just talked to everybody. And he, he looks real good. He's all smiles. DAVID: Oh, yeah. JIM: He got a ride in that tank. DAVID: Yeah. I think it was a troop carrier or something, wasn't it? JIM: Yeah. He said that -- did you talk to him yet? DAVID: No. JIM: All right, hold on, and he'll tell you about it. Hold on. Here, Mark, this is David. MARK: Hello. DAVID: What was it like? MARK: Well, it was -- when I went up there, they just told me to put my stuff down and then they went through it and stuff and checked and stuff. And then they put me in that tank like thing and drove me further up the road, further down the road. And it was, it was real bumpy.

0 DAVID: It was a heavy, heavy duty, heavy duty thing, wasn't it? MARK: Uh-huh. DAVID: That was good. MARK: And they were nice. They're really nice. DAVID: Oh, they'll be nice, you know. People in the world are nice, too. Remember that. They just don't know what we know, right? They just don't believe in the Seals. They don't know about them. Okey-doke. Is Jim still there? MARK: Yeah. DAVID: Okay. We'll talk to you later. MARK: Bye. DAVID: Be good boy. Bye. JIM: Hey, David? DAVID: Yeah. JIM: He's fine. MARK: Oh, yeah, he's a good one. JIM: Yeah, they just gave him a candy bar and a soda. DAVID: Oh, yeah. JIM: So -- we're out here in a building near the airport and you can see all the airplanes, you know.

DAVID: Oh, yeah. JIM: So, him and Cyrus were talking about 0 them. DAVID: Yeah. JIM: Cyrus says, did you see them take off? DAVID: Yeah, you know how kids are. JIM: And they love that stuff. He said that tank's bumpy, he said. DAVID: Well, it's a heavy duty vehicle. You see it on shows. JIM: Yeah. Okay. Well, I talked to Sita awhile and, you know, she just kind of little sad, I think and -- DAVID: Well, you know, like I say -- JIM: -- missing the kids, you know. DAVID: -- I'm liable to have you talking to some of these women every once in awhile that have, you know, -- their kids over. So that way, you know, they can hear both sides. That's where this -- that's the way I teach the truth, Jim. JIM: Well, that's good. DAVID: Is I always -- I've always sat down with people -- JIM: Well, I appreciate that, David. DAVID: -- and I've presented my side. Then

0 I've always told them, I've said, now, look, go out there and the truth only shines brighter in the light of controversy. JIM: When that -- when those -- when David just came out and, and some of these ladies you're talking about come out, those, those newspaper people will be making a big story about that and about you, you know. DAVID: Well, look, you see, you -- Jim -- JIM: I'm just telling you what's going to happen. DAVID: Yeah. You know, me, don't worry about me. JIM: I'm just -- I'm not -- I'm just talking about -- DAVID: I'm saying, don't worry -- I'm not, I'm not doing this to make a name for myself. Let me -- JIM: Oh, I know that. DAVID: Let me, let me explain something to you realistically, okay? JIM: Uh-huh. DAVID: When you come up here, Jim, and you look up here, you know, you can only in your mind just imagine -- that's why the Bible calls it faith.

0 JIM: Uh-huh. DAVID: Because, you know, there is no way you could really imagine what really up here there is, you know. JIM: Uh-huh. DAVID: And like I say, you know, with your most powerful telescopes you can just barely begin to uncode the mysteries of Orion, you know, the great horse head of the universe, right? JIM: Right. DAVID: You know, there's a reason why the, the -- Orion is a horse head. JIM: Right. DAVID: And there's a reason why there's, there's phases of coloration that comes from it. JIM: Uh-huh. DAVID: You know. White, red, black, pale, you know. JIM: Right. DAVID: There's a meaning to this constellation and Pleiades --. Anyway, what I'm trying to say -- JIM: I understand. I understand. DAVID: -- is, is it -- is that when -- JIM: When you're ready to send them out,

you will. DAVID: No, what I'm saying is this, when 0 you're up hither and you see the father give the Book to the lamb, if the lamb ever decides to come back to this world, that's the last thing in the world the lamb is going to want, and that's any kind of glory and vain glory from the world, I mean, you know. JIM: Well, the only -- DAVID: When God is ready to speak -- JIM: Hey, David, the only thing I meant by telling you the press is -- the only thing I'm trying to tell you is that you'll be able to help me set the record straight with them, you know. DAVID: Oh, well, the -- JIM: You know how the press is. That's all I -- DAVID: You know God is going to set it straight. You know how the press is. You know, the prophets, you know, Daniel's told that the end of a certain period he'll stand in his lot with the rest of the prophets. Daniel's told by Gabriel, the vision that you're going to see is for many days. JIM: Well, I, I know, I know. I know how the press people do. DAVID: You know, but I'm saying that -- but

I'm saying the prophets are press, too, you know. JIM: Yeah. DAVID: They're giving you a hot scoop but it's on the future. JIM: Yeah, but -- DAVID: I mean the, the press today tells you what's happened. JIM: Yeah. DAVID: But the prophets tell you what's going to happen. 0 happens. JIM: Yeah. DAVID: So you can get the scoop before it JIM: I understand. I understand. DAVID: Hey, Bobby, -- JIM: Bobby? DAVID: -- this, this -- she always sucks her thumb now. JIM: Who's her mommy? DAVID: Rachel. JIM: Rachel. DAVID: That's Cyrus' little sister. JIM: Yeah. Oh. DAVID: Second sister. JIM: Do you want to send Cyrus and Rachel

out? DAVID: Oh, we're going to work that out. 0 Well, he wants -- wait a second. RACHEL: Hello? JIM: Rachel? RACHEL: Yes. JIM: This is Jim. RACHEL: Hello. JIM: How are you doing? RACHEL: Oh, I'm doing okay. JIM: Do you want to come out? RACHEL: Do I want to come out? JIM: Yeah. Do you want to walk out? I just -- Mark just did. RACHEL: I'm sorry, I didn't hear the rest. JIM: I said, Mark, Mark just walked out. RACHEL: Yeah. JIM: Do you feel like you want to come out? RACHEL: No. JIM: No. Okay. I mean you'll be safe. RACHEL: Oh, really. JIM: Yeah. RACHEL: Well, I don't doubt that. JIM: No, you will be. I'm sure. RACHEL: Yeah, but what am I going to?

0 JIM: Well, I mean, you're going to somewhere safe. It's not safe in there, you know. We don't want anything to happen to you. RACHEL: Well, -- JIM: That's what I'm concerned about. RACHEL: What I believe in is here. So -- JIM: Well, I understand, but if you believe just walking down this road doesn't make you not believe. David said anybody who wanted to leave was, you know, was free to go. RACHEL: Yeah, but I don't want to leave. I, I, I know, I already know that. He doesn't force anyone to do anything. JIM: Yeah. Oh, I know that. RACHEL: People can do what they want to do. JIM: Oh, I'm not, I'm not implying that. I know he doesn't. I know you all are free to go. I just thought some people might be a little reluctant to come because, you know, they're just apprehensive. And Sita told me, you know, she wanted to bring the - - send the word out to her children, the Bible, and so forth. Is there any other mothers in there who want to come out, some of the mothers of these children that have, that have come out already? RACHEL: No, no one wants to come out. If,

0 if they did, they would be out there right now. JIM: Oh, okay. Okay. Well, I -- yesterday afternoon, you know, David was fixing to come. RACHEL: Sorry? JIM: I said yesterday afternoon David was fixing to come out. RACHEL: Wait a minute. These -- I got three different people here talking and I can't hear. JIM: Okay. Okay. I understand. RACHEL: Now, can you repeat that again? JIM: I said, you know, yesterday afternoon David was getting ready to come out. RACHEL: Yes. Well, you know, we were going to come out. We were all ready. JIM: Right. RACHEL: I mean the kids were all together and -- JIM: Right. RACHEL: -- we were on our way out. He was changing his clothes, getting ready to get a stretcher, you know, taking off his bloody jeans and whatever. JIM: How did that stretcher work? Did it work good? RACHEL: The stretcher?

0 JIM: Yeah. RACHEL: Yeah, it's still folded out here. JIM: Okay. RACHEL: Right beside him. JIM: Well, good. I'm glad. I didn't know if it was going to be the right -- big enough or, you know, would give you any difficulties. RACHEL: I think it's okay. JIM: It's okay? RACHEL: Yeah. JIM: Well, I was hoping he might, you know, get the message or feeling, you know, to gather you guys together and walk out, you know. Let's kind of reach a resolution, you know. I don't want anybody else to get hurt, you know. I think we can do that. RACHEL: You don't want anybody else to what? JIM: I don't want anyone else to be hurt. RACHEL: Yeah. Well, I don't either. JIM: Well, I know that. And I'd like to see some of those men get some medical treatment, especially David. RACHEL: Uh-huh. JIM: And he's not -- doesn't seem to feel like he needs it but I think he does. I'm waiting.

0 RACHEL: Well, he is getting better. JIM: Yeah. All -- RACHEL: The wounds are looking better. They're healing over. JIM: Yeah. They're healing over, but he still can't walk? RACHEL: Well, I think it's a nerve thing. I don't know. I mean I'm not a physician so I don't know. He's had problems with his legs before, you know, with his back and whatever. JIM: Yeah. RACHEL: So, I think it did something to his nerves and triggered, triggered it again -- JIM: Yeah. RACHEL: -- you know, in his leg. JIM: Well, it might could be fixed, you know. RACHEL: I'm sorry? JIM: I said we might could get it fixed if he -- if we could get him out. RACHEL: Uh-huh. JIM: I'd hate for it to be, you know, it would be something that we could have -- a doctor, you know, a good doctor could fix. Wouldn't want him to be where he couldn't walk or something. You know, I'm

0 just concerned about him. I'm just telling you how I feel. I'm just concerned about him. And I'd just like to see him get some attention. I know he's got strong convictions and we've talked at length. And I understand all that, and I appreciate it. But I don't, I don't want you guys to, to change any of that. And you wouldn't even if I asked you anyway. And I wouldn't ask you. I just want you to, you know, kind of hang in there with me and see if we can reach a resolution, you know. RACHEL: I thought they took you off of this -- I don't really know what to call it. I wouldn't call it a case. But I -- JIM: Well, -- RACHEL: -- thought they took you out of it. JIM: -- I got in a little trouble yesterday. RACHEL: Yeah. JIM: Yeah, because, you know, the message, you know, the agreement that David made and that you guys would come out after the Christian Broadcast Network and -- see, what's happened today is the Christian Broadcast Network's got thousands of phone calls about David's tape and people expressing interest in it and all that stuff.

0 RACHEL: Uh-huh. JIM: But there's been a lot of people now saying, well, but he didn't do what he said, you know. They starting to doubt, you know, that he didn't do what he said. So, they're wanting -- you know, they're just kind of looking, watching, you know. RACHEL: Well, why don't they let him talk on the radio and ask him some of those questions? JIM: Well, we did. We gave him a solid -- I mean he, he said -- RACHEL: I mean after that hour tape? JIM: Oh, well, I mean the radio stations don't, you know, they're saying, what do you mean? He said he'd do this if we played the tape and we played the tape. He didn't do it, you know. RACHEL: Yeah, well, they're kind of in the dark about what's going on. JIM: Yeah. Well, I, I understand but, you know, you've got to give -- you've got to give people room to understand, too, you know. RACHEL: Yeah. JIM: And, and you know yourself that -- and David has told me this times is -- RACHEL: Uh-oh, someone's touching the phone.

0 JIM: Hello. RACHEL: Yeah. I was just -- somebody must have touched it. It's really a poor line. JIM: You know, David's told me at least times that I know that, you know, he can't explain all his teachings in an hour. I mean it's not possible. RACHEL: No, it, it takes a long time. JIM: It takes a long time. And I don't think, you know, you can't expect the radio station to do it in an hour either. RACHEL: That's true. JIM: So, -- RACHEL: I mean that, that's not even -- that's not even -- JIM: It's barely a beginning, you know. RACHEL: Yeah. It's not even hardly a beginning at all. I mean -- JIM: Right. But, but, but out here, I mean, he's, he's the most sought after man in the country from these reporters and the whole world out here wanting to see when he comes out. RACHEL: Yeah, good and bad, both. JIM: Well, you know, some of them are just press hounds but if he comes out, you know, he's going to be able to deliver his message. Everybody wants to

0 hear what's he got to say. RACHEL: Oh, they do that kind of stuff in jail, huh? JIM: Well, they do it everywhere. Are you kidding? He's the biggest story in the world. RACHEL: Well, tell me, what kind of -- I mean I heard there are, you know, a lot of reporters. From what countries do they come? I know some come from London. JIM: Well, there are, there are London, Australia, New Zealand. I mean, I never saw so many - - did you see that press conference at noon? I let David -- I told -- did you see it? RACHEL: Uh-huh. Yes. JIM: Did you see all those people? RACHEL: Well, how many do you think were in there? JIM: Oh, hundreds. RACHEL: Well, I couldn't -- I didn't see that many then because, you know, they, they just show shots of a big group of people, you know, they don't - - I didn't see how many were in there, total. JIM: It was hundreds. RACHEL: Cause what I saw was just a closeup. So, --

0 JIM: CNN -- I mean NBC, ABC, CBS, BBC. I mean it, it was unbelievable. I've never seen that many, many reporters. RACHEL: Uh-huh. JIM: And they were all out there on the highway down there. RACHEL: Uh-huh. JIM: You know, waiting for you guys to walk out. It's, it's a major event for them, you know. But, anyway, I -- you know, we don't control those T.V., newspapers, magazines, all those radios. You know that. RACHEL: You know, I just want to say they said that we got a telephone call that tipped us off to that -- you were coming and that, that's not true. JIM: No, I know. Yeah. Well, they have a lot of inaccuracies, I think. And that's something that David has been bothered with and you got to understand that they do that, you know. RACHEL: Uh-huh. JIM: And, and, and that's another -- RACHEL: Well, they said a lot of things just like the other night -- I don't remember what night it was -- the buses left, right? JIM: Uh-huh.

0 RACHEL: And they said that -- we thought we were on them. They thought that we had gone from here. I mean -- JIM: I know it. I know -- hey, I, I saw that, too. I went -- I saw that, too, when I turned the T.V. on that night. And I was pretty down that night because, you know, you guys didn't come out. And I turned the T.V. on and there's a reporter saying, and all the people come out on this bus here. RACHEL: Uh-huh. JIM: You know, they just make up stuff, you know. RACHEL: Yeah, they, they jump to conclusions, I guess. JIM: Yeah. So, you know, just when you see that stuff, I mean, you just bear with us. I mean it's not accurate. You know it's not accurate. RACHEL: Right. JIM: You know, give me a call and we'll tell you the straight story. RACHEL: Right. JIM: You know. I -- RACHEL: Steve wants to talk to you, okay? JIM: Okay. RACHEL: All right, Bye, bye.

0 0 JIM: Bye. STEVE: Hello, Jim? JIM: Hey, Steve, how you -- STEVE: Hey, I've got a request. JIM: Okay. STEVE: There was dogs that the agents shot in the front yard there. JIM: Uh-huh. STEVE: They're, they're starting to smell. They're such a stench and so forth. We need to have a guy or two at least pull them away toward the field or dig a hole or do something. JIM: Well, okay. Let me check on that. STEVE: Okay. JIM: Do you -- you mean you want to go out there and do it yourself? STEVE: Well, unless -- I, I would imagine, you know, I mean, there, you know, a couple of guys here are willing to do it. JIM: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. STEVE: The one guy, you know, took care of them from the time they --bought them as puppies and, you know, I, I think he wanted to take care of them and go bury them. JIM: Yeah, I understand that. Well, let,

0 let me, let me check on it, Steve. STEVE: Okay. JIM: And I'll, I'll get back. STEVE: Okay. JIM: I don't think that's an unreasonable request. STEVE: Yeah. JIM: You know, certainly, I, I think that's reasonable. STEVE: Yeah, you know, what they do is probably just put them on something, drag them right away or where they can be seen right out in the front or something, at least away from the building -- JIM: No, I, I don't think that's unreasonable. STEVE: Yeah. JIM: Let me, let me work on that for you. STEVE: Oh, oh, and David's asking me, well, are they going to connect them with Robert or -- JIM: Well, we've had difficulty finding Robert. He's not in town anymore. STEVE: He's not? He's not, huh? JIM: He's been -- he was dismissed by, you know, by his supervisor on some other detail. He's not here.

0 STEVE: Right. JIM: So, I can't get him. He's not even here, you know. STEVE: Well, I mean I know you could but that's okay. JIM: Well, I mean I -- STEVE: I mean if it's, if it's a problem and -- JIM: Yeah. STEVE: -- it will make you look kind of funny or I mean -- JIM: No, no, that's not it. I don't care. I mean, you know, if -- STEVE: He may not want to converse anyway. JIM: Well, he -- you're right. I mean he may not but I mean -- STEVE: I would be -- I mean if you can, why don't you give, you know, have one of the guys give him a call and see if he would even want to. If he wouldn't, you know, he'd respect that. JIM: Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't mind -- STEVE: Yeah. That would put an end to that anyway quickly. JIM: I don't think he's, you know, he's certainly not mad at you guys.

0 STEVE: Yeah. JIM: He doesn't have -- STEVE: Well, I know he wouldn't be because we didn't show him any, anything at all. JIM: No. No. And he's not -- he, he doesn't have any animosity as far as -- STEVE: Of course not. Rachel is right here. I guess what I'll do is I'm going to go down and talk to the guy that was wanting to move those things away. So -- JIM: Well, tell him not to do it unless -- STEVE: No, no, that's what I mean. JIM: Cause I -- STEVE: He's just asking about, he says, we should at least do something with them. And I said, well, yeah, okay. JIM: Well, let's, let's clear, clear, clear it first with me but I'll work on it. STEVE: All right. JIM: To communicate with the commanders over there. STEVE: Right. JIM: And -- are you guys going to be around the phone awhile there? STEVE: Yeah. There's definitely going to

0 be somebody around here. I was just going to put on a warmer shirt than I have on right now. JIM: Okay. Mark came out and -- with the puppies. STEVE: Pardon? JIM: Mark -- STEVE: Oh, yeah, yeah, I was -- in fact, I went and pat him on the back and everything. JIM: He's, he's a cute kid, I'm telling you. STEVE: Yeah, he's a nice kid. JIM: He, he, he said -- STEVE: I, I mean I guess, you know, I kind of thought we showed you what we're really about right from Sunday on but I, I -- JIM: Well, you are. STEVE: Yeah, I know, but I mean, you know, the procedure they go through with this little kid, the way they had him -- JIM: Oh, I know. I'm embarrassed. STEVE: -- checked out. JIM: Hey, I'm embarrassed by that. STEVE: I know you are. I know you are. JIM: I am. I really feel bad about that. STEVE: There's a big tank and they -- a

0 shoe doesn't even as much as come around the corner of the tank and -- JIM: Oh, I know it. STEVE: -- the kid's got to take his backpack off -- but, anyway. JIM: Hey, frankly, I'm embarrassed. STEVE: Yeah, I know. JIM: When, when he told me that here, I was just -- STEVE: Oh, they, they told you that? JIM: Well, Mark told me. STEVE: Oh, did he really? JIM: Yeah. STEVE: Oh, no kidding. JIM: I said, Mark, did they treat you good? He said, yeah, they treated me real good. He said but they made me take off my jacket or lay my stuff down. STEVE: Oh, there's someone stepping on the chord. Yeah. So, he's okay, then? JIM: Yeah, he's fine. And -- STEVE: That's good. JIM: -- he just come over here and he talked to David and Sita and Cyrus and his, his daddy is -- what -- his daddy is Davey or Dave?

0 STEVE: Yeah, uh-huh, right. JIM: And he talked to him. And the agents gave him a Coke and a candy bar. And he's fine. STEVE: So, what -- Jim, what do you know about some of our friends that are in California we heard on the news? I'm sure you have -- JIM: Yeah, there's -- STEVE: Huh. JIM: I've seen that on the news about some Californians -- STEVE: Oh, come on, you've got to know these things. You're in an agency of the government that --you have your hands -- your fingers on -- I mean -- JIM: Steve, you give me more credit than I -- STEVE: Come on, Jim. JIM: No, you give me more credit. I mean the government is a big thing, you know. STEVE: I know that but I mean you'd be up on the news. The very job you're in, you're dealing with a group of what you should basically have the majority of all names. If you don't already, I mean I'd be quite surprised. JIM: Well, we, we have --

0 STEVE: Especially after eight months or whatever it's been. JIM: We, we have some, some names and -- STEVE: What was -- tell me what that's all about. JIM: Frankly, I'm confused about it, and I've only had bits and pieces and -- STEVE: Uh-huh. JIM: And, apparently, these were some people that maybe had been a part of your group before, is that right? STEVE: No, no, they still are. JIM: Oh, they still are -- STEVE: Yeah. JIM: -- a part of the group? STEVE: We had a property out there in California -- JIM: Oh, okay. STEVE: -- and there was some people taking care of the property, living there. And we heard on the news that when this took place, they were -- they -- hello? JIM: Yeah, I'm still here. Steve? STEVE: Yeah. What's -- I wonder what's happening here.

JIM: Well, I don't know. It might be your phone there or something. STEVE: I'm not moving, though. JIM: Oh. (end of tape) 0